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  • #31
    The flat burr versus conical issue reminds me very much of the old direct drive v belt drive turntable debate, allowing that both turntables were of high quality,to the average audiophile either produced very acceptable sound, however those with sufficiently deep pockets, who sprung for the very best of either drive type, always expected their choice to sound superior and of course they were never disappointed, how could a custom turntable I just payed $15000 for not sound better than an $800 of the shelf model.

    The truth is the difference to the average listener was negligible, I suspect the very same principle applies to grinders, I paid an arm and a leg for it so I have to be able to discern a difference in the cup, and of course, I can!

    Human nature is a strange beast.
    Last edited by Yelta; 25 April 2016, 12:26 PM.

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    • #32
      Have to say you've been beating the drum pretty loud over the past weeks Paul, I think Chris;s response was predictable.
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      • #33
        But isn't it true that only conicals can produce Godshots?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
          But isn't it true that only conicals can produce Godshots?
          If you believe that to be so, then it is.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by K_Bean_Coffee
            I recommend leaving interpretation of the intent of my posts to the community Chris.
            Snobs, I'm sure you're finding the back and forth amusing !!!
            As always Paul, I'll be leaving my interpretation of all CS posts entirely to myself.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
              But isn't it true that only conicals can produce Godshots?
              Hahahaaaa!

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                • #38
                  Ok- Back on topic

                  Perger has contributed to a new study breaking down grinding and specifically mentions the Mythos writing “I’ve never really been a fan of the results with the Mythos grinder’s heating feature, and this experiment is an excellent explanation as to why”.
                  The Grinder Paper: Explained - Matt Perger

                  Its nice to have new data coming in.
                  Does this study change anyones opinion on the topic of best flat burr grinder on the market, excluding the EK43?

                  That Sette might be looking better by the minute.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Marxy24 View Post
                    Does this study change anyones opinion on the topic of best flat burr grinder on the market, excluding the EK43?
                    Not in the least, an encyclopaedia full of words will have no impact of my perception of whats in my cup, and I suspect little affect on the way people brew the stuff.

                    Guess a (study) like this appeals to some of the nerds among us.

                    Logga also posted this link about 4 hours ago. http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-co...explained.html

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ArnhemR View Post
                      The EG-1 is another option, EG-1 | LWW

                      Personally I suspect burr alignment often plays a greater part in the end result in the cup than the differences between flat and conical burrs.

                      Our scientific understanding of what goes on in the coffee making process continues to develop and challenge the assumptions various experts have made about all the elements that go into a great cup of coffee. We used to think fines were the enemy, certain baristas even sieved out the fines, now research suggests the fines are the key to great coffee!

                      If you really find money is no object then the Titus is your grinder, they run from about US $5K-$10K depending on finish! Titus-Grinding Highend Kaffee- und Espressomhlen You can find a few threads and images about the Titus if you use a bit of google fu.
                      I like the Roman numerals on the regulator. Seems reminiscent of the HG-1?

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                      • #41
                        G'day Marxy,

                        I think there is probably merit in Matt's ideas on this one, but the findings do need to be viewed in context. Home users are not in the 100kg+/week demographic and it's probably a once a year (or never) that you'd run 10, 20 or even 50 shots back to back- so heat is rarely (if ever) an issue. We do need to consider this stuff whist being mindful of our actual usage pattern. We for one will not be providing low O2, pre-measured doses of liquid nitrogen cooled beans.

                        Whilst there may be reasons that some of us want a Mythos/Peak/EK/whatever the next big craze is, fact remains that a good small commercial is more than adequate for the overwhelming majority of home users. You have the means? Sure, buy whatever your heart chooses this week, but be mindful that Yelta probably nailed it in the comments above re turntables.

                        My experiences when training continue to reinforce the fact that given good, fresh coffee and adequate equipment, the most significant contribution to cup quality comes from the consistency of the operator, not another $2k blown on a new "XYZ" because some bloke in the ether reckons it's the holy grail.

                        I too am curious about the Sette and if it will hold together, it should provide another good alternative for the home user.

                        Chris

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
                          G'day Marxy,

                          Whilst there may be reasons that some of us want a Mythos/Peak/EK/whatever the next big craze is, fact remains that a good small commercial is more than adequate for the overwhelming majority of home users. You have the means? Sure, buy whatever your heart chooses this week, but be mindful that Yelta probably nailed it in the comments above re turntables.

                          My experiences when training continue to reinforce the fact that given good, fresh coffee and adequate equipment, the most significant contribution to cup quality comes from the consistency of the operator, not another $2k blown on a new "XYZ" because some bloke in the ether reckons it's the holy grail.

                          Chris
                          Yeah they have lost me with this one....liquid nitrogen freezing. I certainly won't be freezing my coffee in any form any time soon. Strikes me as grandiose with no real world applications to improving quality.

                          In addition to the home scenario, there are even more of these " popular grinders " showing up in cafes and when questioned the owners or baristas have ZERO knowledge or even an idea as to the what / why they have an EK43 in their cafe for odd SO espresso / Decaf use. They then proceed to try and pull faux ristrettos with a darker roast ground using the EK and " think " that it is mothers milk, except that it tastes REALLY sour and REALLY roasty. Perfect example of being over sold based on hype, where they would be much better off, especially in low volume application with a regular flat burr grinder, hell even something like an M4D would be better suited for purpose.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Gavisconi007 View Post
                            But isn't it true that only conicals can produce Godshots?
                            NO... not true in the slightest, so I'll just assume you were taking the piss

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                              • #45
                                Smart ass 😜

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