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  • #16
    Originally posted by Stan View Post
    I have had my Mini for about 7 years and just replaced the burrs. I have modded it with the plastic tube as discussed in a recent post. I would still recommend it as a first grinder. I recently discussed up grading with a sponsor who stated that if I didn't like the mess the mini made I wouldn't be happy with a M4d. I had the money ready!! So I put in the plastic tube mod and most of the mess disappeared. Yes it takes 20seconds to grind a double shot, but really does 12seconds quicker make a difference? I saved money and still have a great coffee every morning I just have to wait a terrible 12 seconds longer. The Mazzer has not missed a beat in 7 years and the burrs had done over 300kg of coffe so I replaced them. I will save some more and buy something like the Fausto when I upgrade the Musica
    I agree with all of your comments re the Mazzer Mini Stan.

    For some reason retailers have been very anti Mini of late, heaven knows why (perhaps there are better profit margins in the other machines) they are built like the proverbial brick outhouse, extremely reliable, easy to adjust and maintain and no messier than any other grinder.

    Re the speed, cant understand the need for it in a home situation, 8 seconds or 20 seconds, so what, ain't exactly a life time, guess next thing will be espresso machines that will extract a perfect shot in 15 seconds instead of 30.

    The Mazzer Mini is an excellent machine regardless of what others say, I wont be changing any time soon.

    PS Its not a money issue, simply don't see a need.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by flynnaus View Post
      Not so. When I say 'manual sweeping' I mean the retained grinds are swept into my filter basket
      Yeah but you have to open the doser to manually sweep it out. All grinders have zero retention if you shove a vacuum cleaner up them. If you then empty the bag into your basket there's no waste.

      For some people waiting 27.6 seconds for the grinder to run is no big deal, personally I'd rather wait only 8. Fortunately there is a grinder to suit both types.
      A quick Google tells me you're paying $1200 for a mazzer mini e or $800 with a doser. M4d is $950 absolute bargain compared to the mini e and definitely worth the upgrade over the doser version. In my opinion.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Yelta View Post
        I agree with all of your comments re the Mazzer Mini Stan.

        For some reason retailers have been very anti Mini of late, heaven knows why (perhaps there are better profit margins in the other machines) they are built like the proverbial brick outhouse, extremely reliable, easy to adjust and maintain and no messier than any other grinder.

        Re the speed, cant understand the need for it in a home situation, 8 seconds or 20 seconds, so what, ain't exactly a life time, guess next thing will be espresso machines that will extract a perfect shot in 15 seconds instead of 30.

        The Mazzer Mini is an excellent machine regardless of what others say, I wont be changing any time soon.

        PS Its not a money issue, simply don't see a need.
        If you think about it, it is the design of the burrs that give the Mini a slow grind. This is very deliberate design, probably to keep the grind cool.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by wattgn View Post
          If you think about it, it is the design of the burrs that give the Mini a slow grind. This is very deliberate design, probably to keep the grind cool.
          Doubt it. The cynic in me sees a deliberately slower grinder to create space for the SJ which is not that quick. Cafes that require a grinder which manages heat are not going to purchase one and it's irrelevant in 99.9% of home applications- unless you regularly cater for parties of 100 people.

          The Mazzer mini is fine and it's equivalent to the other competitor doser grinders. The Mini-E is even slower than the mini and and given much faster grind time and identical grind quality, the bang for buck equation lies firmly in the competitor court.

          I have been speaking with one of the importers re bringing in the doserless Lux (Lux-D) which is currently sold by LM but with what is clearly a huge markup. This grinder, but at a fair price (i.e circa mini manual price) would be a great home alternative for those looking for a manual doserless grinder.
          Last edited by TC; 13 September 2016, 08:24 AM.

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          • #20
            You could put Super jolly burrs in the mini. That gets a double shot down to 10-11 seconds...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Alexpid View Post
              You could put Super jolly burrs in the mini. That gets a double shot down to 10-11 seconds...
              Having read it, we tried it.

              In addition to voiding warranty, we experienced motor stall on about 30% of grind attempts. The motor and grinder are not up to the task.

              If you want a super jolly, you buy one!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by calaper View Post
                Cheers guys. I certainly never wrote off the mini. It is certainly a little tank, just not a fan of the setup, nor having to mod something that I pay big $$ for. Itv really looks like there is worth in spending a bit more and going up a bit in price. I appreciate the inputb from you all. Big help!
                I've just read this thread and I'm not really sure where it all ended up. What are you actually hoping to achieve with the new grinder purchase 'calaper'? Do you want more speed, less mess, a better cup, or just a general upgrade? Having been through a few grinders and a few steps in the grinder chain over the last couple of years I can honestly tell you that it helps to be really clear about what you want first and then go and test a few grinders if you can before you buy anything.
                The Grinta is a small flat burr grinder right (50mm burrs?)? So it's comparable to things like the K3s, Rocky, M2M and even the Mini. With that in mind I don't think you'd notice much difference in the cup moving to any of these. The only way you'd see an improvement would be if you were able to achieve much better distribution of grounds that eliminated channeling etc. Other than that the only differences would be ease of use, cleanliness and maybe longevity.
                As others have pointed out noise is very much relative. I have a Compak K8 Silenzio. It's definitely quiet......for an 84mm burr grinder, but is noisier than my old Anfim KS. The difference is that the noise lasts for about 7-8sec for a double shot rather than 20+. In a house full of non-coffee drinkers the shorter time that noise is being made is welcomed.
                With space being an issue it rules out a big step up to a Compak E8 or similar so I can see your dilemma. My Compak was a doser model and I was quite happy with it for the last year. I used to single dose and brush out the chute after each shot which was fine once I worked out a system. (FYI doserless grinders also suffer from grind retention and in a way they can be worse as you usually can't get inside them to sweep the chute manually). Personally if I was in your situation I'd be looking to improve overall performance - speed, mess and aesthetics. So something like a Macap M4D or Quamar Q50e. Whatever you do don't rush into a purchase that could be an unnecessary sideways step that ends up being disappointing.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by wattgn View Post
                  If you think about it, it is the design of the burrs that give the Mini a slow grind. This is very deliberate design, probably to keep the grind cool.
                  I wondered about the heat aspect and like Chris came to the conclusion that its probably not relevant in a home situation.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by trentski View Post
                    Yeah but you have to open the doser to manually sweep it out. All grinders have zero retention if you shove a vacuum cleaner up them. If you then empty the bag into your basket there's no waste.

                    For some people waiting 27.6 seconds for the grinder to run is no big deal, personally I'd rather wait only 8. Fortunately there is a grinder to suit both types.
                    A quick Google tells me you're paying $1200 for a mazzer mini e or $800 with a doser. M4d is $950 absolute bargain compared to the mini e and definitely worth the upgrade over the doser version. In my opinion.
                    Had to smile at this "Yeah but you have to open the doser to manually sweep it out." guess after carrying out this difficult and exhausting exercise a person would need a Bex powder and a bit of a lie down

                    And this little gem "if you shove a vacuum cleaner up them." don't recall anyone mentioning this little task, perhaps I missed it.

                    27.6 seconds eh? now that's precise.

                    The Mazzer Mini e is available from Coffee Parts for $979, substantially less than the $1200 you mention.

                    Coffee Parts seem to be impressed with the machine and have this to say about it,

                    Coffee Parts Thoughts

                    The Mazzer is undoubtedly our favourite of all coffee grinders, as well as the best performing and most robust. If the budget allows for it, and there is room on the bench, the Mazzer is the ultimate home machine to have and definitely our pick regardless of the espresso coffee machine you are using. Ultimately an espresso machine can only perform as good as the consistency of the ground coffee it receives, as such having an amazing grinder will greatly help in the quest for the perfect espresso!

                    Yep my bias is showing, ya gotta stick up for yer own kids, no one else will.

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                    • #25
                      A lot of science goes into the burrs. The burrs are obviously designed to grind slower. My explanation is one possibility and the cynical marketing one is the other. I think Mazzer are just giving enthusiasts a home grinder with what they think are the best grinding characteristics and where speed isnt the number one consideration.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by wattgn View Post
                        A lot of science goes into the burrs. The burrs are obviously designed to grind slower. My explanation is one possibility and the cynical marketing one is the other. I think Mazzer are just giving enthusiasts a home grinder with what they think are the best grinding characteristics and where speed isnt the number one consideration.
                        Grind speed is mostly designated by the combination of burr size and motor speed. I doubt it's deliberately slow in this case as its a low volume semi-commercial grinder. It's more likely just a by product of its design.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by LeroyC View Post
                          Grind speed is mostly designated by the combination of burr size and motor speed. I doubt it's deliberately slow in this case as its a low volume semi-commercial grinder. It's more likely just a by product of its design.
                          lm glad you said that as the Mini e is the slowest of the lot with its tiny 64mm burrs...

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                          • #28
                            What about a Super Jolly? I know that space is an issue but it's actually not that big a grinder and if you use it with a short hopper or without a hopper altogether they're fairly unobtrusive. They can be found for good prices second hand and are often reasonably priced brand new. They are a very good grinder with all the build qualities of other Mazzers, but twice the speed of a Mini at about 12sec/double.

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                            • #29
                              That's a different story - The Super Jolly is a great grinder. Big, solid, and quick. I prefer the Quamar M80E or Macap M4D though for comparable quality and speed at less $
                              This thread has me re-thinking Mazzer though. I'll re-list them, as my own opinion shouldn't stop me offering then to you guys

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
                                That's a different story - The Super Jolly is a great grinder. Big, solid, and quick. I prefer the Quamar M80E or Macap M4D though for comparable quality and speed at less $
                                This thread has me re-thinking Mazzer though. I'll re-list them, as my own opinion shouldn't stop me offering then to you guys
                                I just think Mazzer have thought this through and you may find that the particle size distribution may be more even due to increased residence time in the grinder and clumping may be less also for the slower grind due to less heat. Hence the later Mini e model taking the concept further.

                                The fact is the difference won't be huge and may not be noticeable to many people whereas grind speed most definitely is. Of course, Mazzer's coffee coneheads could be wrong too...

                                I hope one day someone will do a hugely in-depth and time consuming and expensive comparison with multiple tasters in the service of coffee science.

                                In the meantime we can take what we want from this... pending further ANALysis.

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