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  • Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

    Choice have reviewed 13 grinders priced between $70 (Breville CG12) and $379 (Kitchen Aid 5KCG100).
    Poor old Rocky came in 8th.
    They scored him second lowest for ease of use because he didnt come with a container for the ground coffee. :

    One of the bad points for the Kitchen Aid was its "Comparatively expensive".

    Dont anyone tell them the price of my Macap.


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    Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

    Originally posted by Thundergod link=1183627733/0#0 date=1183627732
    Choice have reviewed 13 grinders priced between $70 (Breville CG12) and $379 (Kitchen Aid 5KCG100).
    Poor old Rocky came in 8th.
    They scored him second lowest for ease of use because he didnt come with a container for the ground coffee. :

    One of the bad points for the Kitchen Aid was its "Comparatively expensive".

    Dont anyone tell them the price of my Macap.
    ..sigh >

    Did grind quality come into the equation anywhere?

    Having seen how they really have no idea regarding espresso machines or anything coffee related, I dont think I would follow their word on anything.




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      Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

      Here here.........

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        Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

        Having seen how they really have no idea regarding espresso machines or anything coffee related, I dont think I would follow their word on anything.

        I joined up the online version before I had my first baby, 18 months ago. They were pretty spot-on with the road-tests and safety tests they put the prams, cots etc through, so I would trust them on this type of thing.

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        • #5
          Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

          They are OK with lots of other stuff.
          Ive had the hardcopy issues delivered for years now.

          Its just that they havr NO idea when it comes to coffee.

          Their "in-house tester/barista swears by beans roasted by small local roasters, as he finds them fresher than those available prepacked from major brands in supermarkets".

          "How we tested"
          "<snip> He made two cups of espresso using VITTORIA Oro beans and juudged the crema quality and the strength of the coffee".

          First they espouseusing freshly roasted beans then they test with Vittorio.
             

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          • #6
            Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

            I guess it derives from their history of testing all forms of appliance related hardware and with the "jump on the bandwagon" approach by all the major appliance makers to get a leg into the door of the burgeoning espresso machine market, they just apply the same old criteria theyve used from decades past.... not realising that theres a whole different echelon of equipment and their owners out there who expect a hell of a lot more from their specialised coffee making hardware than the accuracy and ease of use of the latest Steam & Dry Iron to hit the market.

            Anyway, its all been said before..... where coffee is concerned Choice have absolutely no f*$#@^!g idea,

            Mal.

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            • #7
              Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

              Originally posted by Mal link=1183627733/0#5 date=1183640933
              I guess it derives from their history of testing all forms of appliance related hardware and with the "jump on the bandwagon" approach by all the major appliance makers to get a leg into the door of the burgeoning espresso machine market, they just apply the same old criteria theyve used from decades past.... not realising that theres a whole different echelon of equipment and their owners out there who expect a hell of a lot more from their specialised coffee making hardware than the accuracy and ease of use of the latest Steam & Dry Iron to hit the market.

              Anyway, its all been said before..... where coffee is concerned Choice have absolutely no f*$#@^!g idea,

              Mal.
              Agreed Mal...Perhaps if their testing panel of "baristi/those in the know" actually proved that they do know something (which they must :-/), their coffee writeups might be of more use. At present I see two possible uses:

              1. Nail to the back of the door of the bush dunny for obvious purposes
              2. Read for amusement value- in a similar manner to watching reruns of the three stooges...

              hmm....sorta makes me wonder if the panel are the three stooges?? :-? ;D

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                Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1183627733/0#6 date=1183641558
                Originally posted by Mal link=1183627733/0#5 date=1183640933
                I guess it derives from their history of testing all forms of appliance related hardware and with the "jump on the bandwagon" approach by all the major appliance makers to get a leg into the door of the burgeoning espresso machine market, they just apply the same old criteria theyve used from decades past.... not realising that theres a whole different echelon of equipment and their owners out there who expect a hell of a lot more from their specialised coffee making hardware than the accuracy and ease of use of the latest Steam & Dry Iron to hit the market.

                Anyway, its all been said before..... where coffee is concerned Choice have absolutely no f*$#@^!g idea,

                Mal.
                Agreed Mal...Perhaps if their testing panel of "baristi/those in the know" actually proved that they do know something (which they must :-/), their coffee writeups might be of more use. At present I see two possible uses:

                1. Nail to the back of the door of the bush dunny for obvious purposes
                2. Read for amusement value- in a similar manner to watching reruns of the three stooges...

                hmm....sorta makes me wonder if the panel are the three stooges?? :-? ;D

                Really Chris! Must they know something?.

                Barista seems to be the most overused professional name in the country.......
                maybe they just make coffee of sorts,now what I mean?

                The review must be relevant to some one, but surely those at Choice have a duty of care here and must to be accountable, to their subscribers(of which I am one), by giving informative reviews based on testing by industry relevant experts.

                And thats all Ive got to say about that. 8-)

                Craig.

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                  Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                  I have come to the conclusion that these reviews are based on the people who dont really know (and dont want to) and just want something that sits on the bench that they dont really want to put any real effort into.

                  I suppose the better way CHOICE could have gone about this is to split their testing into two different criteria - for the above mentioned and those people such as coffeesnobs who really want to get a good quality machine that produces exceptional coffee with a little bit of effort.

                  May be those of you who are subscribers and do have a little knowledge, could send them a letter asking for this and explaining a thing or two to them.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                    Nope, wont work Cindy....

                    Lots of well known industry professionals have contacted the Choice hierarchy about the methods they use and in a nutshell, the Choice people just tell em to get lost, we know what theyre doing. So, with that kind of attitude I dont know what you can really expect :-?,

                    Mal.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                      If you look at the last machine review, the team comprised Rob Forsyth and the Barista Boofheads...

                      I am sure Rob knows something....Yet to see any evidence that the others do.... :

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                        Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                        You could always sign up to be a reviewer - I see in their latest mag they are seeking more reviewers.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                          Ill look for that reference then I might make the offer.
                          They are only a few minutes down the road.

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                            Trouble is, if a CS goes to review the typical sort of grinders and espresso machines that most people on a low low budget buy, there wont be much to choose from at the conclusion of the review.

                            Not everybody can afford a $700 Sylvia or EM6910 - let alone a $600 grinder like a Macap or Mazzer.

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                              Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                              Originally posted by tempestv8 link=1183627733/0#13 date=1183987269
                              Trouble is, if a CS goes to review the typical sort of grinders and espresso machines that most people on a low low budget buy, there wont be much to choose from at the conclusion of the review.

                              Not everybody can afford a $700 Sylvia or EM6910 - let alone a $600 grinder like a Macap or Mazzer.
                              Agreed, however its about time the team at Choice removed their collective heads from their collective culos and and acknowledged that not every domestic coffee drinker wants a spice cutter- or a thermoblock Krups for that matter.

                              Review the cheap stuff- but acknowledge that these are plunger grinders or for pressurised baskets at best. I wonder how many newbies here have had to ditch something Choice recommended because it is plain unsuitable for espresso? :-?

                              CSer types represent a huge market and they simply ignore it/us...They could also bounce barista boofheads et al and put someone on the end of the grouphandle capable of using fresh coffee in a consistent manner so that the results actually mean something....

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