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  • #16
    Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007


    Yes, agreed, Chris.

    Choice should categorise their reviews to different audiences to better differentiate the models. So those consumers who are totally happy with supermarket preground can get a review on their "crema enhancing" machines or the grinders that are used for that sort of machine.

    And those consumers who are only interested in drinking coffee made from freshly ground beans can have a proper review of the true espresso grade grinders that would be a good match to their espresso machines.

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    • #17
      Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

      Hello, I notice that review included the BREVILLE BarAroma and the Breville CG12. Could anybody tell me how these models did in the review? The BarAroma is getting good reviews on a US coffee site for this price bracket.

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      • #18
        Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

        LMC suffice to say most of us here disagree with the Choice article.

        The BarAroma and the CG12 never get mentioned when someone asks us about good grinders.

        You gets what you pays for.
        The Bar Aroma is listed as "Breville BarAroma Coffee & Spice Grinder BCG450" $170.
        Spice Grinder???
        Need I say more.

        "Breville CG12 Café Roma Coffee Mill" $70.
        I think the burrs on my grinder cost more than that.

        The review was done using a Breville Café Roma espresso machine as a reference.

        The CG12 came last.
        Considering its name suggests its the partner of the espresso machine used in the tests, it didnt do very well at all.
        They said it cant grind fine enough for espresso and the hopper lid lifts off when there are a few beans left, and coffee particles fly out.

        The BarAroma got a good write up.
        They said it was amongst the quietest and reckon it grinds fine enough for espresso (for the Café Roma at least).
        Easy to adjust the grind and easy to clean.
        No bad points according to Choice.

        Out of the 13 grinders tested they recommended 5.

        The BarAroma got 5th place.

        The top 4 all said they were burr grinders.
        I dont know if the BarAroma has burrs.
        When I see Spice Grinder I think blade.
        Id be very careful if I were you and check this before parting with any cash.

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        • #19
          Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

          I once heard this and it must be true, Im sure :-)

          Choice magazine once tested car tyres. They carefully choose to test Bridgestone, Dunlop, Goodyear and Pirelli and fitted them to a standard test car with an experienced driver. At the end of the test they concluded that they couldnt really recommend any one in particular. The Bridgestone and Dunlop on the inside tended to leave the road surface on tight bends and the Goodyear and Pirelli on the outside squealed and skidded :-)

          Mike

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          • #20
            Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

            That would be funny if I didnt half believe it to be true.

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            • #21
              Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

              Originally posted by speleomike link=1183627733/15#18 date=1188739620
              I once heard this and it must be true, Im sure :-)

              Choice magazine once tested card tyres. They carefully choose to test Bridgestone, Dunlop, Goodyear and Pirelli and fitted them to a standard test car with an experienced driver. At the end of the test they concluded that they couldnt really recommend any one in particular. The Bridgestone and Dunlop on the inside tended to leave the road surface on tight bends and the Goodyear and Pirelli on the outside squealed and skidded :-)

              Mike
              Recommending car tyres is almost impossible.

              To name but a few variables:
              tyre size and profile
              run-in time
              wheel width
              wheel weight
              tyre pressure
              car weight
              car suspension geometry
              wheel alignment
              tyre temperature
              road temperature
              road surface type
              road wetness

              And then you have to define what your test criteria is... (braking? cornering grip? noise?)

              Its like asking "Whats the best bean for making coffee?" without regarding brewing technique, roast method or profile, grinder, machine, temperature, etc.

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              • #22
                Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                Originally posted by Matt King link=1183627733/15#20 date=1188771993
                Originally posted by speleomike link=1183627733/15#18 date=1188739620
                I once heard this and it must be true, Im sure :-)

                Choice magazine once tested card tyres. They carefully choose to test Bridgestone, Dunlop, Goodyear and Pirelli and fitted them to a standard test car with an experienced driver. At the end of the test they concluded that they couldnt really recommend any one in particular. The Bridgestone and Dunlop on the inside tended to leave the road surface on tight bends and the Goodyear and Pirelli on the outside squealed and skidded :-)

                Mike
                Recommending car tyres is almost impossible.

                To name but a few variables:
                tyre size and profile
                run-in time
                wheel width
                wheel weight
                tyre pressure
                car weight
                car suspension geometry
                wheel alignment
                tyre temperature
                road temperature
                road surface type
                road wetness

                And then you have to define what your test criteria is... (braking? cornering grip? noise?)

                Its like asking "Whats the best bean for making coffee?" without regarding brewing technique, roast method or profile, grinder, machine, temperature, etc.
                Yes, but I think the post was more a commentary on how Choice do their evaluations rather than car tyres.
                IE: They put one of each on the car, took it for one test drive and wrote their detailed report.

                In last years coffee machine review, one criteria a machine LOST points for was - "Portafilter too heavy".

                Brett.

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                • #23
                  Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                  Originally posted by fatboy link=1183627733/15#21 date=1188778180
                  Yes, but I think the post was more a commentary on how Choice do their evaluations rather than car tyres.
                  IE: They put one of each on the car, took it for one test drive and wrote their detailed report.

                  In last years coffee machine review, one criteria a machine LOST points for was - "Portafilter too heavy".

                  Brett.
                  I got that. I was just implying that a null verdict isnt always a bad thing. It had nothing to do with coffee.

                  hmm, I could use a coffee about now... :-/

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                  • #24
                    Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                    Originally posted by fatboy link=1183627733/15#21 date=1188778180
                    one criteria a machine LOST points for was - "Portafilter too heavy".
                    That seems fair to me.  The car would tip over if you used a heavy portafilter on the outside.  ;D

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                    • #25
                      Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                      Originally posted by mylesau link=1183627733/15#23 date=1188784702
                      Originally posted by fatboy link=1183627733/15#21 date=1188778180
                      one criteria a machine LOST points for was - "Portafilter too heavy".
                      That seems fair to me.  The car would tip over if you used a heavy portafilter on the outside.  ;D
                      ;D ;D

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                      • #26
                        Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                        Appreciate your post thundergod. I know what they say about grinders and understand about the quality. I understand the general population of coffeesnobs opinions with regard to low end equipment. The thing is I have had my coffee machine 1.5yr now without a grinder and buying various brands of preground coffee. I have a Breville Cafe Roma and Im pretty happy with the brew I make given my cheap setup. The cost of preground beans and the fact they are ground so coarsely, freshness, etc etc. I am looking at a low end grinder to improve things a little. The BarAroma is a burr and given I am no time soon going to be able to afford a more expensive setup Im thinking this may be my inbetween. I would post the other reviews on it but Im not sure if other coffee site URLs are permitted.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                          We can find the other reviews if we want.

                          Id still recommend spending more and getting a good grinder.
                          Youll improve things more than a little.

                          If thats out of the equation then at least Ive answered your question and you know which one of the two NOT to get.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Grinder Review - Choice - July 2007

                            QUOTE from Chris: " not every domestic coffee drinker wants a spice cutter- or a thermoblock Krups for that matter. "

                            Hey, I had a Krups & spice grinder as my very first setup! :-[ & i thought i wanted it :

                            PS anyone want a Krups Novo 4000??
                            Cheap ;D

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