Just posting a follow up after making my decision.
I ended up getting the Comandante C40 hand grinder and love it.
Takes around 45 seconds to grind 30g of coffee for a double chemex. It's built so well and looks amazing.
I ended up with this over the Lido primarily due to aesthetics and size. The Lido looks ugly as hell, and it's massive. I can easily take the C40 to work and it looks nice on display.
Thanks to everyone for all the help! It's really appreciated
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I have a Lido. Very easy to use. 48mm burrs. Not sure how big the Comandante burrs are but if they are 38mm it would be slower than the Lido.Originally posted by MitchH View Post
They are pretty much the same price, is the performance the same? It's a lot harder to find a good review on particle consistency for the Comandante than the Lido
Not being a poor over drinker I may be wrong - but not sure whether you really need the top end hand grinder for pour over, one of the less expensive models may be suitable?
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Tampit makes a good point. Is the Vario an Australian new model? If you can confirm this then it will indeed be a rebadged Mahlkonig and will be greatly superior to any other Baratza. I’d still give the Lido the nod, but a Mahlkonig Vario would be an excellent choice for pour over as well.
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If you're now considering hand grinders, the new OE Apex Grinder using ghost burrs and specifically aimed at non-espresso duty, would also be worth a look. There will be a wait though.
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Having three Mahlkonig Varios, one now fitted with the optional steel burrs, I would offer the following.Originally posted by MitchH View PostCheers
Travel isn't a consideration
So i'm pretty much tossing up between the Lido ($300) and a second hand Vario with steel burrs ($200).
If the Vario is a Mahlkonig gen2* or either gen3 it will outperform the Sette on coarser grinds by miles - other than an HG1, I suspect it will also outperform all hand grinders I know (about 30 or so different ones over the years). FWIW, I have not seen such an even spread at drip / plunger grinds this side of mega expensive industrial grinders. Mind you, it'll be hopeless on espresso...
If it is a gen1 (different labels on the 3 buttons) buy the Sette or the hand grinder of your choice / budget. The genuine gen1's are a quieter version of the Sette in terms of performance
I have seem two Baratza "gen2's" which weren't - they had gen1 labelling and performance. Not being mine, I couldn't pull them apart however I reckon they had the gen1 mechanism. Consider them a gen1. Others have gen2 labelling and are actually a gen2. No idea if some dude was being creative or they were shipped like that. Another reason to avoid parallel imports (the Baratza Vario rebadge is for the US only, rest of the world is a Mahlkonig, the Sette is a Baratza only).
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Originally posted by LeroyC View PostOf those two the Vario will admittedly be slightly easier to use, but the Lido will give you vastly superior results in the cup. If you’re only grinding a standard sort of amount for a single pour over each time (15-20g or so) then I’d recommend the Lido as you’ll punch this through in no time.
Originally posted by Lukemc View PostLido all the way. Will last a lifetime and is portable.
Cheers guys
So you've all changed my mind on hand grinders, something i never thought would happen lol.
The only issue i have about the Lido is it looks ugly as hell. The grinder is going to be on display on a shelf so i guess i'm looking at the Comandante also now.
They are pretty much the same price, is the performance the same? It's a lot harder to find a good review on particle consistency for the Comandante than the Lido
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Of those two the Vario will admittedly be slightly easier to use, but the Lido will give you vastly superior results in the cup. If you’re only grinding a standard sort of amount for a single pour over each time (15-20g or so) then I’d recommend the Lido as you’ll punch this through in no time.Originally posted by MitchH View PostCheers
Travel isn't a consideration
So i'm pretty much tossing up between the Lido ($300) and a second hand Vario with steel burrs ($200).
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Originally posted by Mb21 View PostLido 2 has a more agressive burr set then Lido 3. So Lido 2 verses lido 3 is harder to turn but less revolutions needed to grind dose. May not be a big factor if only using for pourer due to coarser grind size. Do you travel much? a hand grinder may be nice if you do as can still take it away and make pour over etc
CheersOriginally posted by LeroyC View PostIf you want to maximize the flavour potential then you can’t go past the Lido. It’s amazing how much difference the slightly bigger burrs make. My recommendations would be (in this order):
1. Lido 3
2. Hiku
3. Baratza Sette 270
Brevilles and other Baratzas do ok, but why just make do with average when you don’t need to? Definitely avoid the likes of the Rocky and K3 as they’re really designed for espresso.
Travel isn't a consideration
So i'm pretty much tossing up between the Lido ($300) and a second hand Vario with steel burrs ($200).
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If you want to maximize the flavour potential then you can’t go past the Lido. It’s amazing how much difference the slightly bigger burrs make. My recommendations would be (in this order):
1. Lido 3
2. Hiku
3. Baratza Sette 270
Brevilles and other Baratzas do ok, but why just make do with average when you don’t need to? Definitely avoid the likes of the Rocky and K3 as they’re really designed for espresso.
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Lido 2 has a more agressive burr set then Lido 3. So Lido 2 verses lido 3 is harder to turn but less revolutions needed to grind dose. May not be a big factor if only using for pourer due to coarser grind size. Do you travel much? a hand grinder may be nice if you do as can still take it away and make pour over etc
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Cheers, i was wondering what the E was about.Originally posted by Mb21 View PostHi MitchH
ive got a Lido E (Lido 3 with finer adjustment for espresso hense the E) and really like it, using it daily for 2-3 20g dose espresso. Not a job for my wife but not that hard either. For pour over it would be super easy and quick.
The Lido 2 looks nicer than the 3 i think from the pics online but the burrs are different between the two. I'll never use the Lido for espresso so i guess the 2 is my pick?
I also have had someone offer up a used Baratza Vario for $200 dollarydoos. That sounds like too good to pass :P
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I sold my Smart Grinder for this exact reason. It was also a lot more susceptible to changes in the air and the burrs heated up pretty drastically and fast.Originally posted by Hipsi View PostI’m in a somewhat similar boat, but opposite (I guess). I use a Smart Grinder currently for espresso, but from time to time have to grind larger amounts for plunger for family members. Every time I do this it throws my espresso grind calibration substantially out and it takes many profanities and about 10 shots before it comes good again. Thus I’m considering a manual for my daily espresso and reserving the Smart Grinder for the coarse duties
I love my Mazzer Mini E, it's SO much better.Last edited by MitchH; 1 June 2018, 02:56 PM.
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from time to time have to grind larger amounts for plunger
When you say larger amounts, how much do you mean? Domestic grinders are designed to grind small amounts and will generate a bit of heat when grinding larger amounts. This is why your Smart grinder goes out of whack. If you need to continue to grind larger amounts, you will need to buy a heavier duty grinder and confine the Breville to espresso duties.
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