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    This has probably come up a million times I’m sorry but I’m new here.
    i usually only make 1-2 espressos a day. I top up my intake with another 6 or so instant a day.

    may I please ask would a ROK or Lido be comparable to a Sette 270 or similar in regard to quality of espresso grind and perhaps micro adjustment to dial in my grind?

    thank you

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    I can't comment on the Lido, as I've never used one. The ROK grinder is a great design - very ergonomic - and quite well built, BUT it is let down by cheap crappy burrs. ( Unless they have upgraded the burrs recently, which I doubt ). They appear to be cast, not machined, not very sharp.

    When they were first released, there were numerous threads about this on forums in UK and in the US. Some posters saying that they could grind for espresso with no problems, but many others who could not grind fine enough even on the lowest possible setting. The problem may have been poor quality control of the burrs, so some people got a good set, some got bad, and some were in between.

    I got a bad set, which were replaced when I complained, by an equally bad set !!. Eventually replaced the burrs in mine with Etzinger burrs similar to those used in some of the Lido's. That has made it into a really good grinder.

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    • #3
      I had a 270w, and now a lido E. I drink the 1-2 doubles each day. If I have a visitor, I hand them the grinder to grind for the next drink. I single dose the lido, so pre-packed portions in snaplock bags in the freezer.
      The (all) electric grinders are noisy and space wasters (imo).
      I recommend the lido E over a 270 or any other electric grinder.

      I do not suggest it if you are a little fragile in health. It is not hard work but my 86yo grandmother would struggle, a lot!
      Also lighter roasts will make you realise that the beans are quite a bit harder. A dark roast almost self grinds in comparison.

      I have made a scale to ensure accuracy and fine adjustment on the lido. It is only some measuring tape stuck to the adjusters, but it's good so far. So I grip the lock ring, loosen the base. Then move the lockring to its new grind setting and hold it, then tighten the base back to its marked lock setting. All while pressing against chest (some YouTube tip?). I Iuse a artist paintbrush to sweep grinder clean after each use.Click image for larger version

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      So in the pic, my grind setting is 52, and I tighten the base back to the 60 (or 5.2 and 6.0).

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      • #4
        Hi Deegee, I appreciate your comments. Just the type of information I need. I wonder if some find manual grinders an inconvenience? Also are the grinds really suitable for espresso?

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        • #5
          Thanx Jackster, hmmm you may be on target. Thank you for the image

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SunnyCoastDazza View Post
            Hi Deegee, I appreciate your comments. Just the type of information I need. I wonder if some find manual grinders an inconvenience? Also are the grinds really suitable for espresso?
            Yes, no doubt some people will find manual inconvenient, others won't. The response will often be tainted by the particular hand grinders that they've tried. The 'E' in the Lido E stands for espresso. I can choke a double-springed lever machines with my Lido E-T (t = travel). I've used the Lido E-T for months on end when overseas, for both espresso and other applications, and works well overall. I probably averaged 3-4 coffees a day, and don't find the grinding process too onerous. In terms of grind quality, I think the Lido is a little better than my electric Macap M4D....more consistent size and much less clumping. There is some static, however, which can mean that some grinds stick to burrs for a little while after grinding.

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            • #7
              The lido E will definately do espresso with a pretty big margin. I spent a fair amount of time aligning the burrs and ended up with a small burr rub at -0.2 (in the lido scalings). This is at 10 on my scale. So I am at around 90° coarser than the burr touching point. It will certainly choke my machine without any problem at all.
              I use a 6910 or a Musica with 18g vst basket, aiming for 2:1 in 30 sec.... And close... Though my tamping with the vst is a work in progress.

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              • #8
                The E and et are similar. The et has a folding handle and is black. The E is solid handle and silver. Same adjuster threads. I don't travel with mine as I travel with porlex mini and aeropress.
                I wanted the et when I was traveling with it. The top plug on the et is worthwhile too. Mine bounces bean bits out sometimes. That's ok outside, but not perfect on the kitchen floor.

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                • #9
                  Sounds like you have it well sorted Jackster

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SunnyCoastDazza View Post
                    Hi Deegee, I appreciate your comments. Just the type of information I need. I wonder if some find manual grinders an inconvenience? Also are the grinds really suitable for espresso?
                    It's been said more than once here on CS, that the fun of grinding by hand wears off fairly quickly, especially when users find their coffee consumption rising, as their expertise grows and the quality of their coffee improves.

                    I have a Hario Skerton hand grinder, but hardly ever use it. The ergonomics - holding the container in one hand and rotating the handle in the horizontal plane - make it uncomfortable and inconvenient to use. It will grind fine enough for espresso, but it takes a lot of rotations to grind a shot.

                    I have not used any of them, but I believe that there are several other hand grinders which are much faster, more comfortable to use, and will grind fine enough.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SunnyCoastDazza View Post
                      i usually only make 1-2 espressos a day. I top up my intake with another 6 or so instant a day.
                      This bit caught my curiosity.

                      Since you have the equipment and know how to make espresso, what’s the story with the 6 instant coffees?

                      Is it a case of espresso at home and instant at the office or some other situation?

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                      • #12
                        Hi Herzog, I’ve had a few machines in the past with mixed results. Currently have a duo temp and picked up the Gaggia yesterday. I keen to learn more an put more effort into my coffee making. I also plan on attending some barista classes. I’m on the fence with the grinder as I usually take a heap of preground coffee when I travel and a mocha pot. I wouldn’t like to spend more than 450ish whether it be manual or electric. I’m not sure if an electric entry level grinder around my budget will have the goods hence the manual grinder enquires. To answer your question I’m not that good but need the caffeine. I’ve cutdown from 12 or so instant. I may in the future make more espresso. Sounds like I’m starting to answer my own question as my needs may be changing

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by deegee View Post
                          It's been said more than once here on CS, that the fun of grinding by hand wears off fairly quickly, especially when users find their coffee consumption rising, as their expertise grows and the quality of their coffee improves.

                          I have a Hario Skerton hand grinder, but hardly ever use it. The ergonomics - holding the container in one hand and rotating the handle in the horizontal plane - make it uncomfortable and inconvenient to use. It will grind fine enough for espresso, but it takes a lot of rotations to grind a shot.

                          I have not used any of them, but I believe that there are several other hand grinders which are much faster, more comfortable to use, and will grind fine enough.
                          Have to agree with your comments Degee.

                          I have a Rosco hand grinder, whilst its quite capable of grinding for espresso I wouldn't even thing about it for daily use at home, fine for camping when no power available, but, winding the handle, at first a novelty, rapidly becomes a pain in the rear end, after a few weeks of using it daily combined with the Flair, its an absolute pleasure to get back home to an electric grinder.

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                          • #14
                            Have to agree about the fading novelty value of a hand grinder for ongoing home usage ( I have a Zass Quito, Feld2 and Aergrind, lol!)...especially if dealing with larger /multiple doses.<br>
                            I pottered along for about 6 months on the hand grinder only trail, and yes do use the Aergrind which is pretty fast and very good for espresso with my Flair or Aeropress while working away.<br>
                            And after the 2 weeks I am kinda happy to see my Macap when I get home.<br>
                            FWIW, the Macap M2M is a very good compact and fairly tidy little grinder for the money and perhaps within your budget. Recommend the micrometric adjuster. Should last for decades,too.

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                            • #15
                              Thank you for your comments. So confusing for a newbie such as myself looking for an upgrade. So many grinders under the $500 mark m2m, rocky, 270, isteel, imini, masanino. My head is going to explode ��

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