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  • #31
    Just a little side note regarding my travails in talking with sellers of the grinders I have in mind.

    I contacted 3 site sponsors and one non sponsor. They were the ones that had one of the machines I was looking at available so I could talk about my various choices. Or so I thought.

    One, a site sponsor didn’t bother replying. Another, again a site sponsor was so far outside the pricing of the others. A third site sponsor was so tardy in responding that I got tired of waiting.

    so that left the 4th and only non site sponsor. They were amazing, made an effort to communicate, ask, listen, and recognise that Perth is not walking distance from the Eastern States.

    The site sponsors knew I was from CS I didn’t ask for any special pricing, at least from the ones I spoke to.

    A bit disappointing really.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
      The site sponsors knew I was from CS I didn’t ask for any special pricing, at least from the ones I spoke to.

      A bit disappointing really.
      What did you end up ordering?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
        Just a little side note regarding my travails in talking with sellers of the grinders I have in mind.

        so that left the 4th and only non site sponsor. They were amazing, made an effort to communicate, ask, listen, and recognise that Perth is not walking distance from the Eastern States.
        Have you made a disappointing purchase yet?

        Seriously grinders are pretty reliable things. Aside from shipping cost I'm not sure I would worry too much about where I got it from. Coffee Machines are quite different and many more things can potentially go wrong.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by wattgn View Post
          Have you made a disappointing purchase yet?

          Seriously grinders are pretty reliable things. Aside from shipping cost I'm not sure I would worry too much about where I got it from. Coffee Machines are quite different and many more things can potentially go wrong.
          Haha not worried about the supplier, has been around for sometime and has bricks and mortar shops.
          I had hoped that there might have been a bit better response from the site sponsors.

          its all good

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          • #35
            With thanks to everyone that commented and provided advice on a grinder, with particular thanks to level3ninja for swapping PM’s.

            Ive learnt quite a bit along the way, proving once again that getting seriously into coffee should come with a warning that the more you find out, the more you find out there is much more to find out haha ��

            Ive ordered a Eureka Atom Specialita 65.

            Comes with red burrs and a 300g hopper. I gave the “blow up” system a miss, is an extra $500. Have done lots of research, although not a lot out there on the Atom 65. Plenty on the Atom however.

            Key Points.

            The 65 has much less space around the lower burr, and a seemingly effective sweep, so retention is much lower than the Atom. Other than that the 65 has a 510 watt motor spinning at 1310 rpm, vs the Atom 450 watts at 1350 rpm.

            the electronic timed dosing is the same, although with the 3 times as fast grind time the 65 gets an extra digit beyond the decimal place showing 0.05 sec timing variations.

            The 65 is a bit larger in all directions, however I’ve saved a few cm by opting for the 300g hopper vs the std 510g.

            The other grinder I considered was, probably obviously, the Niche Zero.

            Truth be told I would likely be happy with the Niche, but somehow the Atom 65 appealed more. Perhaps it’s the appliance look of the Niche, having to weigh the beans prior to grinding, not able to grind into a pf.... or my heart overruled my head.

            Price wise they were both the same, so it only came down to my preference.

            Im very confident the Eureka will last my lifetime, the company has been around for a long time and still looks strong and viable even given the problems facing some manufacturers in Italy.

            Really looking forward to getting it on the kitchen bench beside the ECM. Video of the grind output looks lovely.

            Now if I can nail a naked pour I will be a happy pretend home barista

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            • #36
              I think you made a good decision. I’m not a fan of grinders that can only single dose.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by herzog View Post
                I think you made a good decision. I’m not a fan of grinders that can only single dose.
                I've never used one.

                Coffee doesn't really spoil as such. It is toxic to most life which is why green beans last for years too.

                Microbial growth doesn't affect it either but mould could grow in humid environments.

                I don't notice any effect on flavour or pour but that doesn't mean that there isn't any...of course.

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                • #38
                  wattgn I'm struggling to see the relevance of paragraphs 2-4 of your post in relation to the comment you quoted.

                  Roasted coffee certainly goes stale even if it doesn't spoil. This process is accelerated greatly by grinding the coffee. If you can't taste the difference and don't feel the need to purge (and are happy to tip excess ground coffee back into the doser for next time) then I'm not inclined to discourage you. I would, however, like to suggest that it is not a good prescription for others to follow if they want to brew delicious coffee.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by level3ninja View Post
                    wattgn I'm struggling to see the relevance of paragraphs 2-4 of your post in relation to the comment you quoted.
                    I would, however, like to suggest that it is not a good prescription for others to follow if they want to brew delicious coffee.
                    If you are implying that single dosing is the answer that is up to you.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by wattgn View Post
                      If you are implying that single dosing is the answer that is up to you.
                      No I mean what I wrote literally. I'm probably being dense.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by wattgn View Post
                        If you are implying that single dosing is the answer that is up to you.
                        Originally posted by level3ninja View Post
                        No I mean what I wrote literally. I'm probably being dense.
                        Interpretation...
                        If you are single dosing, and you haven’t purged your grinder from last use (say yesterday) you are potentially having 12 hour old grinds making up 25% of your dose into the puck. For better or worse....

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                        • #42
                          Well closer to 2/18 as I have measured it but it will vary as grinds get carried over in mysterious ways. It does average at 2 grams carryover in my Robur.

                          In other words it might be next to nothing or it could be more in the Robur at times.

                          The point is something is a problem when it becomes a problem and that is a line drawn by each user. I would say though that it would be an interesting test to blind taste.

                          Everybody has a different sense of both taste and smell that is a fact.

                          Of course, once the first shot of the day is done then it may only be a few hours until the next shot.

                          The carryover doesn't affect the pour. The effect on taste...I don't notice it, someone else may notice it for the first shot of the day but that is an unknown.

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                          • #43
                            Probably more of a "horses for courses" kind of thing...

                            Single dosing has its place, especially in very low throughput situations and mostly at home.
                            Higher throughput would demand the use of a grinder that can keep up with demand and doesn't require weighing out the beans each and every time. That being said, my Kony-E and wattgn's Robur definitely sit in the latter category and currently are being adapted for usage that they were not intended. Matters little to me that there's a bit more stuffing about to use the Kony as a single dosing grinder but if I was looking for such a grinder now, the Niche definitely would be sitting squarely in the cross-hairs.

                            Grinders don't have to be for a 'fixed' usage scenario as they can, with modified techniques, be used in many scenarios but maybe not ideally in each, other than the one that the engineers/designers specifically intended.

                            Mal.
                            Last edited by Dimal; 11 October 2019, 12:43 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by wattgn View Post
                              I've never used one.

                              Coffee doesn't really spoil as such. It is toxic to most life which is why green beans last for years too.

                              Microbial growth doesn't affect it either but mould could grow in humid environments.

                              I don't notice any effect on flavour or pour but that doesn't mean that there isn't any...of course.
                              Grant you might as well sell that behemoth taking up valuable bench space in the kitchen and buy preground coffee from a high quality, local roaster that uses a top quality shop grinder. You’d probably earn brownie points at home and not notice any reduction in coffee quality.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by LeroyC View Post
                                Grant you might as well sell that behemoth taking up valuable bench space in the kitchen and buy preground coffee from a high quality, local roaster that uses a top quality shop grinder. You’d probably earn brownie points at home and not notice any reduction in coffee quality.
                                Your spot on Leroy !

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