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Ah. cosmetics rule again... Reminds of an ex "So what if the roof is falling apart, the cutlery is polished..." (fair dinkum - word for word!)
Cosmetics are very important in a kitchen. I think just the way it is. It doesn't always come first when selecting coffee equipment but it is important as the equipment is not something that is hidden in a cupboard until used. If I had a muddy mustard coloured big espresso machine for instance, I think my wife would have a lot to say. Even my Robur, although it looks good, is rather big. Fortunately my wife is accommodating.... She doesn't even like coffee to the point where she hates the smell of it.
That makes sense but you were using the grinder at the time I think trying to do a single!
Noise isn't necessarily a showstopper but the quieter the better.
G'day wattgn
True - I did use the Sette at your place one day - trying to match the steel burr Vario at coarser grinds. It didn't. Then Artman replaced it with a later "much better" (and quieter) Sette. I have no idea how the newer Settes perform in terms of particle spread, however the newer ones are under half the noise of the original "Jet Settes".
I think it also comes down to the pitch of the noise being made.
Lower frequency noise doesn't seem to be anywhere near as annoying as a higher pitched one...
I think you are mixing up my oldest Vario with Artman's early Sette - which got replaced shortly afterwards. You commented to me at the time about the noise level - and it was pretty severe.
I believe the newer Settes are much quieter. The Vario is much quieter than most, however no grinder is really quiet - grinding is a mini explosion according to Illy, hence the noise.
That makes sense but you were using the grinder at the time I think trying to do a single!
Noise isn't necessarily a showstopper but the quieter the better.
I think you are mixing up my oldest Vario with Artman's early Sette - which got replaced shortly afterwards. You commented to me at the time about the noise level - and it was pretty severe.
I believe the newer Settes are much quieter. The Vario is much quieter than most, however no grinder is really quiet - grinding is a mini explosion according to Illy, hence the noise.
Ended up picking up the used Lelit PL72 that came up for sale a few days ago from a CS member.
It's a bit of a left field choice and probably not the best grinder in that category but it seems to do a decent job, it's quiet and matches my espresso machine.
Last but not least, it was hard to pass up at that price.
Well the one TampIT bought over to my place a year or two back was VERY loud whichever model that was. I remember everyone being surprised.
I'm sure that it was the Mahlkonig Vario there is also a Baratza. Noise is an issue for many but not all people.
Replying to my own quote but listening to a video, it seems while the Vario is not exactly quiet, neither is it like a jet on takeoff like the Sette is.
Did you have any clumping issues with it? I was doing some research and read about some people having crazy amount of clumping on their M4D.
Most all grinders clump especially if the roast is dark or oily.
Some grinders such as the Eureka have anticlumping fittings to help but clumping still isn't zero. Grinders with dosers strangely enough don't have much clumping as the operation of the dosing paddle breaks it up. Doser models are no longer flavour of the month which is a shame as they are surprisingly capable. A Mazzer Mini with a doser is cheap to pick up too. 58mm burrs and built like a brick sh*thouse.
I personally didn't have much problem getting good shots from the M4D but remember most grinders do clump. As TampIT says maybe the Vario doesn't but it is noisy and any grinder is a compromise in design.
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