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Actually a fair percentage of most genuine Rolex watches is made in China and Asian countries.Originally posted by robusto View PostSome Chinese companies which go into partnership with manufacturers from other countries do steal the original design.
Take Honda...which manufactured their generators at the Kipor factory in China. There was a disagreement, Honda pulled out, but Kipor kept producing the same design gennies under their own name. (I have 2 of them and one came in handy during yesterday's blackout).
China has brought confusion and deceit to leather goods. "Genuine PU leather." PU=polyurethane, which is not leather. Or "genuine leather" which is actually PU or pvc. Or "genuine leather" which is leather fibres pressed and glued together to "make belts, coated with PVC or PU which last 6 weeks if you're lucky.
"Made in Italy" leather handbags actually made in China.
Rollex watches made in China and definitely not Rolex with one "l".
Murano glassware made not by craftsmen in Venice, but by Chinese in China -- who coped the design from tourist photos (now not allowed in the Murano showroom for this very reason).
The list goes on...
What's wrong with this?
It's bloody dishonest. Full stop.
It's theft.
The quality is probably not as good as the original.
It deprives the original companies of profit earned from good practices and investment in R&D.
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My post was about Chinese counterfeits including counterfeit rolex watches.
But irrespective, from the rolex website:
"With all its operations carried out in Switzerland, Rolex is able to maintain complete control over quality. Work takes place over four sites, where the essential components are designed and made. From the casting of the gold to the crafting of the minutest spring and pivot, and from the manufacture of the casings to final assembly, every step of the process is completed in house."
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From what I read after it seems purchasers and sent some cheapo thing that resembles a grinder. They then want their money back but of course they have to first send back what they were sent which costs more in shipping than what they paid for the item so they don't bother.Originally posted by saeco_user View PostI doubt there is even a knock-off product. I bet (someone else's money) it is just a scam.
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This statement is not entirely accurate. The swiss mark of swiss made has become rather lax over time. Several small components do come from china. However the assembly and large castings are in house from all watches marked swiss made. Springs, levers, balance wheels and several other components do come from overseas. There is no regulating regarding them.Originally posted by Dimal View PostAgree...
All aspects of a genuine Rolex watch are manufactured wholly in Switzerland...
https://www.rolex.com/about-rolex-wa...itzerland.html
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QC in China is terrible. They can knock a product fast and economies of scale mean they make more than enough cheaply to justify poor quality standards and an increased QC failure rate. None if this is high tech manufacturing, Please a coffee grinder does not qualify as equipment made to high tolerances.
The scientific equipment and medical devices manufacturers are dealing with the dramas manufacturing there brings. For most companies it has involved heavy investment into their own factories. Equipment that is truly high tech and built to stringent quality standards have had poorer durability since moving manufacturing to China. Companies are aware, customers are aware, but again, it's cheaper for them at this time.
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Caffinator, would love a source on Rolex sourcing from China, always thought it was a reaction allowing for watches to be called Swiss is movement assembled there and bulk of materials made in Switzerland. I have not yet come across anything solid. There has been whispers of Omega sourcing the bracelets and some other minor parts from China, but not Rolex?
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After Seiko, Rolex probably make more of their watches than anyone else in the industry, I would believe they are made in Switzerland. That said, there was a big furore in the watch industry a few years back when the percentage 'by value' needed to use the label 'Swiss Made' went from 51% to 60%, not quite what you think when you read Swiss Made. Especially true when the final casing using Swiss labour rates allows a huge percentage to be made in a lower cost region, potentially the whole watch. - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1E01YT
Interesting fact Rolex is 100% owned by a charity which some wonder what it does with it's profit (the beauty of Swiss tax laws!) and while the dealers always tell you there is a shortage, they actually make something like 800,000 every year.
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A mate of mine used to work in Thailand for a watch movement factory. One of the biggest as well. I remember my first real watch was the 90's Seamaster Pro, we had a coffee shop opposite the office of Swatchgroup and were always chatting to them. One day the staff told me my watch cost very little to make, I was horrified as at the time I spent 1 month's salary on it!
My take having been living in HK now for 20 years is that you can get whatever quality you want from China, it is up to you as the buyer to ensure it meets your standards. With regards our industry I would say all stainless steel portafilters, and probably pumps are made in China. All big name filter baskets and screens are made in China, if you ignore IMS then all would be done there. Probably a lot of the stainless group castings and steam valves are made there as well, shipped back to Italy and voila Made in Italy. Italy is good and inexpensive for chromed brass, China for stainless investment cast.
If you look at the tool market, at say the infamous USA store Harbour Freight it is generally accepted that the items are cheap and not well made. Is it a case that Harbour Freight are being fleeced by their manufacturers? most probably not, it is what they have asked for and received - although I am sure they work like crazy to stay on top of that standard as well.
Regarding IP issues, China has tightened up a lot in recent years. Almost everytime now with a new supplier we have to prove we own our trademark and brand. We have successfully removed copies from Taobao - something we have never managed to achieve on Amazon. I look back 10 years now when the first copies of the cafelat stuff came out, a US company was the first, then the Italians and then the Australians. If you look at the silicone seals we make, you will find a US company has copied them exactly, even using the exact same colour codes as mine!
I'll leave you all with a story my mate who manuf. cookwares told me. He make saucepans for an Italian brand, but ship the handle and pan in separate boxes. The Italian company merely rivets the handle in place and Made in Italy.
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