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  • #31
    Originally posted by Caffinator View Post
    This statement is not entirely accurate. The swiss mark of swiss made has become rather lax over time. Several small components do come from china. However the assembly and large castings are in house from all watches marked swiss made. Springs, levers, balance wheels and several other components do come from overseas. There is no regulating regarding them.

    QC in China is terrible. They can knock a product fast and economies of scale mean they make more than enough cheaply to justify poor quality standards and an increased QC failure rate. None if this is high tech manufacturing, Please a coffee grinder does not qualify as equipment made to high tolerances.

    The scientific equipment and medical devices manufacturers are dealing with the dramas manufacturing there brings. For most companies it has involved heavy investment into their own factories. Equipment that is truly high tech and built to stringent quality standards have had poorer durability since moving manufacturing to China. Companies are aware, customers are aware, but again, it's cheaper for them at this time.
    G'day Caffinator

    ... and the whole Rolex thing reminds me exactly why I "permanently retired" my Seiko Sportsmatic5 after 20+ years of faithful accurate service. The fifth or sixth mobile I bought had a clock linked to the GSM network... My wrist is forever grateful. I cannot imagine any practical use for a watch these days.

    Oh, and good coffee grinders are equipment made to very high tolerances indeed. That is one reason why they should be treated like a precision instrument and not abused.

    My Swiss made gen2 and gen3 Mahlkoenig Varios have their micro adjustment so fine that you can not even feel or see the burrs move until the 3rd or 4th step. That is why a single "micro step" only makes about 1/2 second difference to the pour (circa 1% change, I suspect). That is not possible without true precision engineering. That is why I keep seeing posts from idiots that state that one micro step makes no difference at all. It does - just use 0.1g scales and put it through a Decent DE1 and it comes up on the graph as plain as day. Add another step and add another 1/2 second to the pour. It also makes the old "stepless is better" argument fade away - it is so much easier to go by the numbers.

    Speaking of cars - an interesting court case from a while back: The Chevy Lumina was the victim of a 100% copy (Seeley? or Geeley? - it has been a while). The original sold 75K cars, the copy sold 300K in China domestically. AFAIC recall, although the case was won by Chevy nothing actually happened to the (blatant) copier.

    Makes me enjoy my Swiss grinder into a Hong Kong made espresso machine all the more - both are high quality bits of kit that deliver in spades...

    TampIt

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    • #32
      Originally posted by herzog View Post
      The risks of outsourcing your manufacturing to China.
      ...or it could be a result of being hacked and they might not even know it happened. There has even been reports of knock off products being released to the market before the real product get's released.

      That would be my tip to what happened.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by TampIt View Post
        I cannot imagine any practical use for a watch these days.
        TampIt
        G'day Tampit, just to help your imagination along, watches are amazingly useful to people who like to be punctual and know what time it is - but don't like to be tethered to a phone. Or wedded to a charger.

        Said with a smile, just to point out there are a few ways to skin a cat.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Lyrebird View Post
          Sorry I don't understand emojis, I cannot tell whether you are being facetious or not.

          If not, you should check out Carbotec Industrial.
          Not at all, trying to be humourous....

          Pinarello is a high end bicycle manufacturer based in Italy that has fallen victim to Chinese knock-offs. There are ways a buyer can ensure they have purchased the genuine article but as we all know buyers are not always smart.

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          • #35
            Flashpix, Lyrebird is in the cycle industry, Lyrebird Cycles

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Lyrebird View Post
              Sorry I don't understand emojis, I cannot tell whether you are being facetious or not.

              If not, you should check out Carbotec Industrial.
              Originally posted by 338 View Post
              Flashpix, Lyrebird is in the cycle industry, Lyrebird Cycles
              ah ha now I understand the response

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              • #37
                Originally posted by TampIt View Post

                ....I cannot imagine any practical use for a watch these days.
                agree, the phone, computer, car all have accurate time. But i do enjoy wearing a mechanical watch, theres something quite awesome about having a tiny and intricate mechanical machine on your wrist.

                Having taken a movement apart (seized with water damage) and successfully fixing the watch both surprised me and gave me a whole new level of respect and awe at the tiny precision components.

                Cheers

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                • #38
                  Seems Legit...NOT

                  Originally posted by artman View Post
                  But i do enjoy wearing a mechanical watch, theres something quite awesome about having a tiny and intricate mechanical machine on your wri
                  Agreed, one of the simple pleasures.

                  Even more enjoyable with a display back.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by flashpixx View Post

                    Pinarello is a high end bicycle manufacturer based in Italy that has fallen victim to Chinese knock-offs.
                    Multiple sources affirm that Pinarello's frames are made by Carbotec Industrial.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Lyrebird View Post
                      Multiple sources affirm that Pinarello's frames are made by Carbotec Industrial.
                      haha, I wonder if that includes their F10 as well? There will be lots of disappointed people out there if so!

                      I'm happy to stick my head in the sand and believe my circa 2011 Dogma2 frame wasn't made in China.

                      It's a beautiful frame to ride, along with Campag Record EPS it's as good as anything coming out of China currently IMHO.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by artman View Post
                        agree, the phone, computer, car all have accurate time. But i do enjoy wearing a mechanical watch, theres something quite awesome about having a tiny and intricate mechanical machine on your wrist.

                        Having taken a movement apart (seized with water damage) and successfully fixing the watch both surprised me and gave me a whole new level of respect and awe at the tiny precision components.

                        Cheers

                        The shock when people know what I paid for a watch I need to wind every day or so.....but what a joy to wind and keep that incredible machine ticking. Something i'll hand over to my son one day.

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                        • #42
                          Seems Legit...NOT

                          Originally posted by flashpixx View Post
                          Not my Pinarello
                          That depends on which model it is. I see you have a Dogma II. That would be a Taiwanese made frame that’s been finished and assembled in Italy.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by hawk87 View Post
                            The shock when people know what I paid for a watch I need to wind every day or so.....but what a joy to wind and keep that incredible machine ticking. Something i'll hand over to my son one day.
                            Love a good manual movement. They make really nice ones in China.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by TampIt View Post
                              I cannot imagine any practical use for a watch these days.
                              TampIt
                              G’day TampIt - how about commercial/industrial divers? Or people that work in explosive atmospheres? I didn’t wear a watch for 10 years after leaving school, but in my current job it’s pretty much a necessity as I can’t carry any kind of ‘smart’ device (EX rated stuff is still too expensive).

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by LeroyC View Post
                                Love a good manual movement. They make really nice ones in China.
                                Haha so I've heard. They printed on the front of mine some swiss guy made it. Maybe not?

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