Seems Legit...NOT

[Caffinator]

Agree...

All aspects of a genuine Rolex watch are manufactured wholly in Switzerland...
https://www.rolex.com/about-rolex-wa...itzerland.html

Mal.

This statement is not entirely accurate. The swiss mark of swiss made has become rather lax over time. Several small components do come from china. However the assembly and large castings are in house from all watches marked swiss made. Springs, levers, balance wheels and several other components do come from overseas. There is no regulating regarding them.

QC in China is terrible. They can knock a product fast and economies of scale mean they make more than enough cheaply to justify poor quality standards and an increased QC failure rate. None if this is high tech manufacturing, Please a coffee grinder does not qualify as equipment made to high tolerances.

The scientific equipment and medical devices manufacturers are dealing with the dramas manufacturing there brings. For most companies it has involved heavy investment into their own factories. Equipment that is truly high tech and built to stringent quality standards have had poorer durability since moving manufacturing to China. Companies are aware, customers are aware, but again, it's cheaper for them at this time.

[IrisGanache]

I doubt there is even a knock-off product. I bet (someone else's money) it is just a scam.

From what I read after it seems purchasers and sent some cheapo thing that resembles a grinder. They then want their money back but of course they have to first send back what they were sent which costs more in shipping than what they paid for the item so they don't bother.

[Dimal]

Agree...

All aspects of a genuine Rolex watch are manufactured wholly in Switzerland...
https://www.rolex.com/about-rolex-wa...itzerland.html

Mal.

[robusto]

My post was about Chinese counterfeits including counterfeit rolex watches.

But irrespective, from the rolex website:

"With all its operations carried out in Switzerland, Rolex is able to maintain complete control over quality. Work takes place over four sites, where the essential components are designed and made. From the casting of the gold to the crafting of the minutest spring and pivot, and from the manufacture of the casings to final assembly, every step of the process is completed in house."

[LeroyC]

Some Chinese companies which go into partnership with manufacturers from other countries do steal the original design.
Take Honda...which manufactured their generators at the Kipor factory in China. There was a disagreement, Honda pulled out, but Kipor kept producing the same design gennies under their own name. (I have 2 of them and one came in handy during yesterday's blackout).
China has brought confusion and deceit to leather goods. "Genuine PU leather." PU=polyurethane, which is not leather. Or "genuine leather" which is actually PU or pvc. Or "genuine leather" which is leather fibres pressed and glued together to "make belts, coated with PVC or PU which last 6 weeks if you're lucky.
"Made in Italy" leather handbags actually made in China.
Rollex watches made in China and definitely not Rolex with one "l".
Murano glassware made not by craftsmen in Venice, but by Chinese in China -- who coped the design from tourist photos (now not allowed in the Murano showroom for this very reason).
The list goes on...
What's wrong with this?
It's bloody dishonest. Full stop.
It's theft.
The quality is probably not as good as the original.
It deprives the original companies of profit earned from good practices and investment in R&D.

Actually a fair percentage of most genuine Rolex watches is made in China and Asian countries.

[saeco_user]

Just for some balance:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/16...heft-progress/

[robusto]

Some Chinese companies which go into partnership with manufacturers from other countries do steal the original design.
Take Honda...which manufactured their generators at the Kipor factory in China. There was a disagreement, Honda pulled out, but Kipor kept producing the same design gennies under their own name. (I have 2 of them and one came in handy during yesterday's blackout).
China has brought confusion and deceit to leather goods. "Genuine PU leather." PU=polyurethane, which is not leather. Or "genuine leather" which is actually PU or pvc. Or "genuine leather" which is leather fibres pressed and glued together to "make belts, coated with PVC or PU which last 6 weeks if you're lucky.
"Made in Italy" leather handbags actually made in China.
Rollex watches made in China and definitely not Rolex with one "l".
Murano glassware made not by craftsmen in Venice, but by Chinese in China -- who coped the design from tourist photos (now not allowed in the Murano showroom for this very reason).
The list goes on...
What's wrong with this?
It's bloody dishonest. Full stop.
It's theft.
The quality is probably not as good as the original.
It deprives the original companies of profit earned from good practices and investment in R&D.

[saeco_user]

Whenever I hear of people entrusting their manufacture to China I think back to toy manufacturer Mattel's experience. They supplied the child safe paint which was to be used on one of their product lines. The Chinese manufacturer sold off the child safe paint and substituted a low cost leaded paint for children's toys. That's the mentality in a nutshell. This was some years ago but the profit at any cost mentality still lives on in China.

Why Mattel Apologized to China - TIME

"On Friday, Mattel's executive vice president for worldwide operations, Thomas Debrowski, met with the Chinese product safety chief Li Changjiang, to apologize for the company's own weak safety controls. "Our reputation has been damaged lately by these recalls," Mr. Debrowski told Li. "And Mattel takes full responsibility for these recalls and apologizes personally to you, the Chinese people, and all of our customers who received the toys."

[Caffeinator]

Whenever I hear of people entrusting their manufacture to China I think back to toy manufacturer Mattel's experience.

Yes. I was disappointed to see Niche end up there. I guess it's all about bucks in the bank and greed in margins- so often at the expense of local industry.

[herzog]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/28/1-in...year-cnbc.html

“but China remains the world’s principal IP infringer across all types of IP theft, according to a spokesman for the IP Commission, which estimates up $600 billion annually in cost to the U.S. economy from these actions.”

[CafeLotta]

Whenever I hear of people entrusting their manufacture to China I think back to toy manufacturer Mattel's experience. They supplied the child safe paint which was to be used on one of their product lines. The Chinese manufacturer sold off the child safe paint and substituted a low cost leaded paint for children's toys. That's the mentality in a nutshell. This was some years ago but the profit at any cost mentality still lives on in China.

[flynnaus]

Agreed but missed the point I was making.

The risk involved with outsourcing your production to China is theft of your designs and IP. .

Well I infered wrongly sorry, but it isn't just China that has stolen IP. Where was that fake Rolex or Vuitton handbag made? Not necessarily China.
The Japanese did it in the 60s when they were on the way to becoming a manufacturing giant. In fact, it has probably been going on for ages (millenia).

[saeco_user]

Their marketing is full of unscrupulous, unrestrained exaggerations and outright lies.

Sounds a bit like our financial services industry

[saeco_user]

It seems there are some fakies doing the rounds.

I doubt there is even a knock-off product. I bet (someone else's money) it is just a scam.

[herzog]

Seems Legit...NOT

Careful! Not everything made in China is cheap rubbish. Their factories are tooled up to produce high quality produce if the wholesale customer is prepared to pay for it.

Agreed but not the point I was making.

The risk I was referring to, involved with outsourcing your production to China is theft of your designs and IP.

There’s been countless cases of this. Sadly, Kickstarter designers have been particularly vulnerable. They get their project funded, choose a factory in China for their full scale production, and within months, and sometimes even weeks, there’s exact knockoffs appearing.

Not saying that’s what happened in this specific case though. Could just be a straight out scam.