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  • #16
    Originally posted by Caffeinator View Post
    FWIW, I'd go the other way and am of the opinion that the Niche is worth every cent of the additional spend.

    Ultimately this is all just opinion though. Best bet for the OP is to try them both if possible and choose the best match to workflow preferences.
    Just to clarify - I'm in Hobart so can't try machine nor grinder. No-one down here sells coffee equipment, bar one kitchenware place which stocks Expobar. Hence the detailed questions.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by splashalot View Post
      Just to clarify - I'm in Hobart so can't try machine nor grinder. No-one down here sells coffee equipment, bar one kitchenware place which stocks Expobar. Hence the detailed questions.
      If it helps at all, I was very recently facing a similar decision, but was comparing the Niche with the Eureka Atom 60 (both in white, which makes them run a bit cooler I'm led to believe). Single-dosing wasn't a game breaker for me though. I had lots of reasons for favouring either, and am sure I would have been happy with either. Neither are available from a local retailer in Canberra either (no idea why Cosmorex decided to focus almost entirely on the Fiorenzato series). I've plumped for the Niche (on order from site sponsor), coz I had to make a decision at some point, have no problem with the taste profile from the conical burr grinders I've experienced (I really like my OE Lido ET), I reckon it'll look nicer next to my white Cremina, and the ability to switch swiftly from a standard espresso grind to one for decaf floated my boat.

      PS: I'm also replacing an M4 (in need of new Start Run capacitor).

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      • #18
        Cheers Barry.

        I think I've reached the same decision making stage as you and so have settled on the Niche grinder, which luckily I can get through a local roaster. So that part's easy.

        However, the machine is proving more of a challenge. I'm now considering a Rocket R58 and Diadema Junior Extra PID in addition to the Profitec Pro 700 (my 1st choice). Will likely come down to which importer is prepared to retail a one-off machine through my local roaster.

        I'm dead wary of freighting one via online purchasing - have heard too many horror stories and had personal experience with stuff getting damaged. Not prepared to take that chance on a $4k+ coffee machine.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by splashalot View Post
          Cheers Barry.

          I think I've reached the same decision making stage as you and so have settled on the Niche grinder, which luckily I can get through a local roaster. So that part's easy.

          However, the machine is proving more of a challenge. I'm now considering a Rocket R58 and Diadema Junior Extra PID in addition to the Profitec Pro 700 (my 1st choice). Will likely come down to which importer is prepared to retail a one-off machine through my local roaster.

          I'm dead wary of freighting one via online purchasing - have heard too many horror stories and had personal experience with stuff getting damaged. Not prepared to take that chance on a $4k+ coffee machine.
          Fully understand your issues about freighting an espresso machine. If you do go down that route make sure you use someone with genuine local (i.e. Australian) operations and ideally who sends the box fixed to a pallet/skid thingy.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by splashalot View Post
            I'm dead wary of freighting one via online purchasing - have heard too many horror stories and had personal experience with stuff getting damaged. Not prepared to take that chance on a $4k+ coffee machine.
            It's unlikely any importer will offer your local roaster a one-off. It just doesn't happen. Choose an outlet which ships on a security wrapped, fully insured skid and you then carry no risk of damage in transit.

            What you need to worry about more is what can be offered in terms of local service. The importer of Rocket Espresso (Site sponsor Espresso Company Australia) has approved techs in Hobart. I am not so sure that the importer of Diadema (CosmoreX Coffee) does though. Site sponsor Jetblack import Profitec and will be able to advise on tech support for their machines.
            Last edited by Caffeinator; 11 February 2020, 11:28 PM.

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            • #21
              [QUOTE=splashalot;670031

              I'm dead wary of freighting one via online purchasing - have heard too many horror stories and had personal experience with stuff getting damaged. Not prepared to take that chance on a $4k+ coffee machine.[/QUOTE]

              Buy from a reputable source and if it arrives damaged, take pictures, get in touch with the dealer and either get the replacement parts eg. panels or send it back for another one

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              • #22
                Thanks for all the comments re. freight. Duly noted.

                Hopefully it won't be an issue, though, as I learnt today the Profitecs are sold locally in Hobart through Cheeky Devil roaster. I spent a very pleasant afternoon with Clyde from Cheeky Devil demo-ing his Protech Pro 700 v1 and chewing the fat over all things coffee related. So problem solved! Thanks go to Jetblack for the referral. Must admit that until this morning's conversation with Jetblack I had never heard of this local business, much to my embarrassment!

                As for the Pro 700 - it is everything I hoped it would be. A gorgeous item. And the coffee I made on it was even better.

                So back to the grinder. I'm vacillating a little on the Niche only on the basis of aesthetics, which I realise sounds terribly shallow. But I really do love that traditional coffee equipment look and I've not seen a Niche firsthand yet. Will do a little more research to see if I can find similar single dose, low retention attributes to the niche in a more conventional looking package for similar (or if necessary a bit more) cash before deciding.

                Thanks to all again for the comments and info - some really useful tips.
                Last edited by splashalot; 12 February 2020, 07:09 PM. Reason: Typo

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by splashalot View Post
                  Thanks for all the comments re. freight. Duly noted.

                  Hopefully it won't be an issue, though, as I learnt today the Profitecs are sold locally in Hobart through Cheeky Devil roaster. I spent a very pleasant afternoon with Clyde from Cheeky Devil demo-ing his Protech Pro 700 v1 and chewing the fat over all things coffee related. So problem sold! Thanks go to Jetblack for the referral. Must admit that until this morning's conversation with Jetblack I had never heard of this local business, much to my embarrassment!

                  As for the Pro 700 - it is everything I hoped it would be. A gorgeous item. And the coffee I made on it was even better.

                  So back to the grinder. I'm vacillating a little on the Niche only on the basis of aesthetics, which I realise sounds terribly shallow. But I really do love that traditional coffee equipment look and I've not seen a Niche firsthand yet. Will do a little more research to see if I can find similar single dose, low retention attributes to the niche in a more conventional looking package for similar (or if necessary a bit more) cash before deciding.

                  Thanks to all again for the comments and info - some really useful tips.
                  Good stuff. Re the aesthetics and the Niche, your thought are perfectly reasonable. I'm about to move on my Quickmill Achille, and the Niche looks truly ridiculous next to it (or perhaps the Achille looks ridiculous next to the Niche). However, when I move my white Cremina next to the white Niche, it will match really nicely.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by splashalot View Post
                    Will do a little more research to see if I can find similar single dose, low retention attributes to the niche in a more conventional looking package for similar (or if necessary a bit more) cash before deciding
                    You may be waiting for the promised future espresso variant of the Fellow Ode.

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                    • #25
                      I found the Niche to look much better in person than in photos, looks like a toy in photos but the powder coated aluminium body looks legit in the flesh. Can't do anything about the design but the materials look high quality. Aside from the finish on the wood (I sanded it and oiled it, looks alright now).

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Caffeinator View Post
                        You may be waiting for the promised future espresso variant of the Fellow Ode.
                        Crikeys! That looks......different? Not sure if I'd actually prefer the niche! But thanks for the lead.

                        I tried Cheeky Devil's Profitec T64. Lovely looking grinder, matches the Pro 700 perfectly, brilliant build quality, gorgeous fluffy grounds. But I suspect not suitable for single dosing due to the exit chute design and possibly large amount of retention.

                        My current workflow, which I'd be happy to replicate in a quieter, non-doser grinder, is:
                        - weigh beans;
                        - set the Macap M4 and grind all beans;
                        - purge M4 of retained grinds by pressing the on switch once or twice and manually brushing all remaining grinds from the shute.
                        - brew coffee
                        - recall in horror the taste and my lack of ability (only joking on this last point).

                        So maybe there are other grinders to consider using the same workflow? I shall give Jetblack a call in the morning to discuss my needs. I expect they can advise. Will report back here their recommendation(s).

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by level3ninja View Post
                          I found the Niche to look much better in person than in photos, looks like a toy in photos but the powder coated aluminium body looks legit in the flesh. Can't do anything about the design but the materials look high quality. Aside from the finish on the wood (I sanded it and oiled it, looks alright now).
                          That's exactly my issue with it, Ninja - looks like a toy/appliance. Good to get that feedback, thanks. I'm wondering if it would look less appliance-like in black?

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                          • #28
                            Mine is white, but I suspect the black would look even less appliance like.

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                            • #29
                              This might help...
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Conic View Post
                                This might help...
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                                Legend! That's the EXACT set-up! Even down to the flow profiling valve on the Pro 700. How do you find this combination? Any comments/recommendations?

                                After seeing that photo I think the black Niche just might settle it. But will see what Jetblack have to say.

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