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    I am a beginner and would like to know if it important for me to get a grinder with flat burs as opposed to conical?

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    Re: conical vs flat

    Hi mate - glad your on board. You will need to post this question in the Grinders section, as this is for hardware for sale by members.

    What is your budget for the grinder? That will help. At the lower end of the market there are quite a few conicals now, but most of the middle and upper level grinders are flat burr...and then the worlds best grinder is back to conical at the top of the tree - Mazzer Robur (if you have $4k or so to spend on that ) - but your talking the same type of grinder in name only comparing $300 and sub conicals with the Robur...

    Cheers

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    • #3
      Re: conical vs flat

      Hi slippyfist and welcome to coffeesnobs....

      Good question but not an easy answer.... that answer being very $$$$$ dependant!

      The cheapest grinders have flat burrs... actually not burrs but bits of pressed metal with bumps which pound the beans into submission!! Krups and other manufacturers make these - stay away....

      Next up the ladder come the conicals, em0450, em0480, Ibertial etc..... these are the entry level grinders for espresso..... of this bunch Id recommend the Iberital at about $300...... definitely far better than the flat above!!

      In the next price bracket you go back to well made flat burr grinders ($600 upwards).... the likes of the Mazzer and Macap..... much better grind than the conicals above....

      And for the ultimate you again go back to conical grinders.... like the Mazzer Robur!! Mega expensive but fantastic grind quality.... the burrs in these are nothing like the burrs in the Iberital.... and neither is the burr holder etc.... these are quality grinders of the highest order!

      So depending how much you are willing to spend.... it could be either conical or flat.... but budget on about $300 for the grinder if possible.... and that will get you a reasonable conical..... but if your budget goes to >$600 you will get an excellent flat burr grinder......

      But dont buy the cheapie grinders.... nothing less than an em0450..... and more if you can afford it!!

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      • #4
        Re: conical vs flat

        $4k? more like $2700 only.

        For 4k you can get the doserless robur.

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        • #5
          Re: conical vs flat

          Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1210487170/0#3 date=1210490057
          $4k? more like $2700 only.

          For 4k you can get the doserless robur.
          Or $2200 if you shop around.

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          • #6
            Re: conical vs flat

            Originally posted by slippyfist link=1210487170/0#0 date=1210487170
            I am a beginner and would like to know if it important for me to get a grinder with flat burs as opposed to conical?
            Because I only make esspresso and use one grind setting give or take small adjustments
            I found the Iberital challenge is perfect for my needs
            My grinder is a doser model and can be purchased for around $280 to $300
            It uses the same conical burr the lux and sunbeam use but its cassing is solid made with steel sheet weight 5kg

            sf
            See this thred for reviews by mostly owners of the grinders
            http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163235531

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            • #7
              Re: conical vs flat

              didnt know the Robur was getting that cheap - a buy it now price on evil bay is $2990...

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              • #8
                Re: conical vs flat

                Originally posted by ozscott link=1210487170/0#6 date=1210496602
                didnt know the Robur was getting that cheap - a buy it now price on evil bay is $2990...
                Makes the K10 WBC seem like an absolute bargain, no? 8-)

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                • #9
                  Re: conical vs flat

                  Why do you think I bought one earlier this year

                  By the way Chris, I modified my K10 to have metal forks now. Feel free to have a look

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                  • #10
                    Re: conical vs flat

                    Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1210487170/0#8 date=1210503947
                    Why do you think I bought one earlier this year

                    By the way Chris, I modified my K10 to have metal forks now. Feel free to have a look
                    I WANT A METAL FORK!

                    How did you get hold of them Dave?

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                    • #11
                      Re: conical vs flat

                      Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1210487170/0#9 date=1210504053
                      Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1210487170/0#8 date=1210503947
                      Why do you think I bought one earlier this year

                      By the way Chris, I modified my K10 to have metal forks now. Feel free to have a look
                      I WANT A METAL FORK!

                      How did you get hold of them Dave?

                      I WANT A K10!!!

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                      • #12
                        Re: conical vs flat

                        The 60mm flat burrs of the Cunill range are not what one would call cheapies, they are top quality and will grind consistently and last as long as many other "non-cheapies". So starting with the Tranquilo at around $395 there is no need to spend $600 if the burrs are the main issue. IMHO.

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                        • #13
                          Re: conical vs flat

                          Originally posted by YeeZa link=1210487170/0#10 date=1210509856
                          Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1210487170/0#9 date=1210504053
                          Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1210487170/0#8 date=1210503947
                          Why do you think I bought one earlier this year

                          By the way Chris, I modified my K10 to have metal forks now. Feel free to have a look
                          I WANT A METAL FORK!

                          How did you get hold of them Dave?

                          I WANT A K10!!!

                          Theyre about $2000. Contact Michael Agrotis at Diamond C or Chris at Talk Coffee; both are site sponsors

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                          • #14
                            Re: conical vs flat

                            hmm....the metal forks vibrate too much on the k10. when I rest my PF on it, it rattles like a &^#$.....

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                            • #15
                              Re: conical vs flat

                              Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1210487170/0#12 date=1210553879
                              Originally posted by YeeZa link=1210487170/0#10 date=1210509856
                              Originally posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1210487170/0#9 date=1210504053
                              Originally posted by Wushoes - David S link=1210487170/0#8 date=1210503947
                              Why do you think I bought one earlier this year

                              By the way Chris, I modified my K10 to have metal forks now. Feel free to have a look
                              I WANT A METAL FORK!

                              How did you get hold of them Dave?

                              I WANT A K10!!!

                              Theyre about $2000. Contact Michael Agrotis at Diamond C or Chris at Talk Coffee; both are site sponsors
                              Trust me David, I know where to get one and I know how much they are.... thats not my problem if you know what I mean. Its the justifying part ;D One day..... :

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