I agree Barry that personal preference comes into it. However the M4D is not my favourite flat burr grinder as far as flavour profiles go so you're not alone there.
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I suspect it's a personal preference (or at least partly so). I own an M4D and a Niche, and for most beans and most drinks prefer the Niche. I do, however, use a different grind fineness across these two, and a different technique on the Cremina. Whatever floats your boat I guess.Last edited by Barry O'Speedwagon; 17 September 2020, 08:25 PM.
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would love to hear more detailed review on taste 75e vs nicheOriginally posted by yonika View PostTook the plunge and purchased a new Olympus 75E with the blow up hopper.
It’s a bit huge, has some retention that needs “blowing up”
But,,, the taste is so much better than the Niche.
Couldn’t be happier with my choice
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Took the plunge and purchased a new Olympus 75E with the blow up hopper.
It’s a bit huge, has some retention that needs “blowing up”
But,,, the taste is so much better than the Niche.
Couldn’t be happier with my choice
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There are some good models to choose from in 64mm flat burr. The Ceado mentioned above, the ECM /Profitec 64 group ( automatik, Titan, T64), and probably others. I bought a Profitec T64 pro, and use one of the preset timer buttons to purge stale grinds ( not my idea , i just liked it). About 2 seconds works well - retention is not as low as the dedicated single dose machines. I would have loved to have looked at a Eureka 75 mm flat burr, but at the time I couldn't find one in Australia. Sorry if this is a bit sidetracking from your original post.Good luck with your hunt.
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Yes the shots from the Ceado E5SD tasted better (in the opinions of the tasters) for the coffees we put through both grinders - medium roast for this latest test. Balanced, some sweetness but also some nice acidity. The Niche seemed to emphasise the acidity so that the shots tasted a little sour.
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Personally I'm a flat burr guy, but the price and features of the Niche were too good not to try out. I regularly switch up beans and brew methods and the Niche makes that a breeze. I think if I do ever upgrade my grinder again it'll probably only be once more to something that is the flat burr equivalent of the Niche (e.g. Lagom P64)
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Now I've re-read my post I see what you mean. I wasn't clear. I'm saying we preferred the flavour from the Macap's flat burrs over the Niche's conical burrs. I found the flat burrs produce more body and rich, chocolate flavours in the medium to medium/dark roasts, which is what we like. By comparison the Niche's shots were more bitter with less body on the same medium to medium-dark roasts.Originally posted by yonika View Post
So what are you saying ? Is the Niche better than the Macap in your opinion or the opposite ?
Edit: And apologies to Level3Ninja - I completely misread your post. My error :-)
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By saying “more sweetness and cleaner finish” - I guess you mean you liked those shots better ? what about acidity perception and pronounced flavors?Originally posted by JetBlack_Espresso View PostWe've done some taste tests using a 64mm flat (Ceado E5SD) versus the Niche Zero. For a couple of blends and SOs we've tried the E5SD produced more sweetness and a cleaner finish. We've now parked both grinders in our staff area to do a longer-term test. Anyone who can drop by is welcome to participate!
charlie
Just trying to get more clear observations from all of you guys
Thanks.
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level3ninja just to make it more clear - do you prefer the flavor coming out of the Niche or some other flat burr grinder ?
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I’m not sure I understand, you said that you might have gotten a dud niche - which I assume is a bad thing, and I assumed you liked your Macap M4 better.Originally posted by splashalot View Post
I hate to contradict Level3Ninja, whose opinions I respect, but I found a large taste difference between my flat burr Macap M4 and the Niche Zero. In particular on the medium to medium-dark roasts we favour. Both my wife and I noticed it, so it wasn't just my mutant taste buds. We did back-to-back tests and the results were obvious to us each time. Maybe we got a dud Niche or something...?
How that translates to an Atom or Olympus 75 I can't say.
I found this video helpful and also correlates with what we found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n806...ealSprometheus
Then I saw the video you posted of S Prometheus which is saying the Niche gives him more flavors than the flat one.
So what are you saying ? Is the Niche better than the Macap in your opinion or the opposite ?
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In Level3Ninja's defence he didn't say there was no difference, he said the difference was typical of that between other Conical and Flat burr grinders.
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I hate to contradict Level3Ninja, whose opinions I respect, but I found a large taste difference between my flat burr Macap M4 and the Niche Zero. In particular on the medium to medium-dark roasts we favour. Both my wife and I noticed it, so it wasn't just my mutant taste buds. We did back-to-back tests and the results were obvious to us each time. Maybe we got a dud Niche or something...?Originally posted by yonika View Post
Is there anything you can tell me about these grinders vs the Niche ? Especially taste wise ?
thanks.
How that translates to an Atom or Olympus 75 I can't say.
I found this video helpful and also correlates with what we found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n806...ealSprometheus
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We've done some taste tests using a 64mm flat (Ceado E5SD) versus the Niche Zero. For a couple of blends and SOs we've tried the E5SD produced more sweetness and a cleaner finish. We've now parked both grinders in our staff area to do a longer-term test. Anyone who can drop by is welcome to participate!
charlie
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I used to own an Atom 60mm (originally model), and now own a Niche. I've never used an Olympus or Mythos.
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