Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Eureka Mignon XL Oro

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Eureka Mignon XL Oro

    I started looking at an alternative for the Niche Zero since it's so hard to get and I'm just finding out about the new Eureka Mignon XL.
    There's not much online yet about this model. Even Eureka's main Mignon page doesn't include it. It's on a separate "Oro" page.
    There's one YouTube review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcjlcokBccw

    The specs are really good though.

    - 65mm flat burrs
    - Very low retention (0.1g or less for a single dose)
    - Very low noise
    - Very fast (3g/s)

    It's not available in Australia but a few European distributors are shipping it.
    It come up to $965 AUD including shipping plus 15% oz import duty on arrival.
    The price is from https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com. It's an Italian online shop.
    btw, feedback on these guys would be appreciated.

    Am I missing something or would this be a great single dose espresso grinder for the home?

  • #2
    I’m in the same boat, I don’t really want to play the game that Niche is providing. I’m considering a Ceado E5SD but have seen the Mignon XL in a few posts on FB. Ticks the boxes For me.

    Comment


    • #3
      It definitely looks like a great buy at the price. Also keen to hear if anyone has had a chance to try it out.

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by bernardd View Post
        IIt's not available in Australia but a few European distributors are shipping it.
        According to the importer (Service Sphere), Aus stock is due soon- April? No doubt they will appear online soon. Pricing looks to be a little north, but they will be covered by the provisions of Australian Consumer Law.

        Comment


        • #5
          New to Coffeesnobs - as of today. Cannot see how to start a new post / thread. Can only see how to post a reply. I have a question: My Mini Macho grinder - ex New Zealand, has just keeled over after 11 years of hard labour. I'd like a new grinder and am prepared to pay for quality. However, I'd like a small bench top footprint. I am only pulling about 10 to 20 shots a day and am happiest grinding straight into the filter basket. What are the best small footprint grinders out there? Many thanks...

          Comment


          • 338
            338 commented
            Editing a comment
            Hi Alan, welcome to Coffeesnobs. If you go to the main topics, Grinders in this case, you will see new topic in the top left. Some areas like wanted, for sale, etc are off topic as a new member. Not many will see your post here. Probably worth putting a budget as well to allow people to help you (of course if you genuinely want the best just buy a Kafatek Monolith, small footprint and recognised as one of the better grinders in the world, always subjective at that end of the market).

        • #6
          I've come from previously owning a mignon specialita, which was already a fantastic single-dosing grinder with a few mods. The XL version although is advertised as a single dosing grinder, it sounds like they've tried to improve the motor for less retention, but still includes the full hopper (a bit counterintuitive to me), so it sounds like they are still appealing to the masses
          .
          Given there is nothing groundbreaking between this and the specialita, I would probably only go for the XL if you fancy a 65mm burr (which is a very valid point in all honesty, giving it some comparison with the Option-O Lagom 64). You can always add some mods such as a single dosing bellows attachment which although is designed for the specialitia, I think they can be used on the XL given its the same mignon series. Some options can be foune at: https://www.etsy.com/au/search?q=eureka%20mignon

          The only issue for the specialita when I was using it for single dosing (properly, and only adding in the amount of beans when required), was that there was often a few grounds of exchanging going on in between doses. So some older grounds was replaced with the newer grounded coffee, giving the illusion of minimal retention. Hence why I would recommend some bellow system of sorts.

          Comment


          • #7
            Originally posted by lecn1302 View Post
            I would probably only go for the XL if you fancy a 65mm burr
            Yes, I'm getting the impression that the larger the burr, the better it will taste. That was my take after watching James Hoffman's review of the "big burr" home machines, all of which cost much more than this Eureka model.

            Comment


            • #8
              I certainly am an advocate that bigger is better, just caution, however, as twice as expensive for example does not mean twice as better. That being said given that the intended price difference between the XL and specialita is not too outrageous, forking out that extra $150-ish for an upgrade of burr size is an easy decision imo.
              However, keeping in mind this is coming from me who uses monoliths haha

              Comment


              • #9
                Originally posted by lecn1302 View Post
                I certainly am an advocate that bigger is better, ... this is coming from me who uses monoliths haha
                Nice, Monoliths are the Leica of the grinder world. Even $1K for a grinder is crazy territory for everyone around me, so I'm already stretching it.

                My hope with something like a Mignon XL is to get 95% of the way to a Monolith, purely looking at the ground output quality. I'm not including workflow, built quality and look of course in that 95%.


                Comment


                • #10
                  Originally posted by lecn1302 View Post
                  I certainly am an advocate that bigger is better, just caution, however, as twice as expensive for example does not mean twice as better. That being said given that the intended price difference between the XL and specialita is not too outrageous, forking out that extra $150-ish for an upgrade of burr size is an easy decision imo.
                  However, keeping in mind this is coming from me who uses monoliths haha
                  I agree if you are considering importing the XL grinder from Europe. However, if you plan to wait for Australian stock, I'm guessing the price difference will be very north of $150 given the Specialita is 339 Euro vs 563 Euro for the Eureka Mignon XL
                  Last edited by dimmy; 3 March 2021, 01:57 PM.

                  Comment


                  • #11
                    $1350 (RRP $1492) Due second quarter 2021

                    Comment


                    • dimmy
                      dimmy commented
                      Editing a comment
                      seems like a very reasonable price.

                  • #12
                    Originally posted by Birkin7 View Post
                    $1350 (RRP $1492) Due second quarter 2021
                    Is it really worth the extra price for "Australian stock"?
                    I see two online stores from Italy shipping to Aus for $965 and $920. Even after adding 15% import duty that's quite a jump.

                    https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com
                    https://www.elektros.it/au/en/coffee...mignon_xl.html

                    btw, does anyone have any experience with these shops?
                    I can't find anything bad online about them.

                    Comment


                    • Caffeinator
                      Caffeinator commented
                      Editing a comment
                      dimmy. You'd have no choice with Niche other than to chance their 4 year old crowdfunding site along with the associated risk that crowdfunding guarantees nothing- including supply nor warranty.

                    • dimmy
                      dimmy commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Caffeinator - true. What I was trying to say was if it was still possible to buy a locally sourced Niche, at their current asking price of $1400, I would definitely consider purchasing via indiegogo to save $400 as I perceive the Niche's "simplicity" would mean they would be quite reliable.

                    • bernardd
                      bernardd commented
                      Editing a comment
                      338 Yes, I wasn't aware of the rule although in this case the product is not available from a sponsor.

                      dimmy As long as the company behind has a good QA, I wouldn't think there's much difference in reliability between The Niche and Mignon XL. They both have roughly the same number of moving parts. The display and its electronics as used in the Mignon are usually very modular. No capacitor sticking out.

                  • #13
                    Originally posted by bernardd View Post
                    I started looking at an alternative for the Niche Zero since it's so hard to get and I'm just finding out about the new Eureka Mignon XL.
                    There's not much online yet about this model. Even Eureka's main Mignon page doesn't include it.

                    The specs are really good though.
                    - 65mm flat burrs
                    - Very low retention (0.1g or less for a single dose)
                    - Very low noise
                    - Very fast (3g/s)

                    Am I missing something or would this be a great single dose espresso grinder for the home?
                    Interesting to hear more of what you've discovered Bernie about above said Grinder.
                    How did you stumble upon it exactly?

                    As for the Retention spec you've quoted, where was this figure sourced from?
                    And when you say, very low retention, what is your understanding of this?
                    Have you been able to establish what is the total grind chamber retention in grams?

                    Comment


                    • bernardd
                      bernardd commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Tronn Nice clarification. I'll take 1.3g of retention anyday, as long as it hasn't been in the machine for weeks of course.

                      Anyway, I'll find out in a couple of weeks. I pressed the purchase button a few minutes ago.

                    • Tronn
                      Tronn commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Nice one! The 65mm Specialita was high on my shopping list, until I managed to score a great price on an Atom 75 and didn't want to wait anymore.

                    • 338
                      338 commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Congratulations Bernard, will be interested to hear your thoughts. It seems it should be an impressive grinder

                  • #14
                    Which is the better machine or is it to early to tell? Mignon XL or Atom Specialty 75?

                    Comment


                    • Caffeinator
                      Caffeinator commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Weird question. If you can discriminate any difference in the cup, you might consider enterering the world cupping championships as you will probably win.

                      The answer to the question is whichever suits your intended purpose and availability of space wherever it has to live.

                  • #15
                    I've had the Mignon XL for over a week now. I'll put some observations although as a disclaimer, my previous grinder is a lowly Baratza Encore.

                    This model is not available in Australia so I had to order it from Italy. No issues with payments and delivery and it took a week to arrive. It has the EU style plug.

                    Right off the box, it's relatively small but hefty. It feels overbuilt. It certainly won't move once placed on a table.

                    It is very fast, 20g take 5-6 seconds. Fairly quiet too although for just a few seconds at a time it doesn't matter really.
                    It does sputter a bit of grind around more than I wish. You'll need a cup funnel.

                    Retention wise, I usually get 20g out IF I tap a side panel afterward to knock the remaining .2-.3g off the chute.
                    To be clear, I didn't measure the real "retention" as Tronn mentioned above. That's good enough for me.
                    I know, I will start using the included brush at some point. Knocking a machine after each grind can't be good in the long run, even for an Italian tank.

                    The clear plastic bean hopper fits the look perfectly but it's not of the same built quality as the rest. It feels like dropping it on the floor would crack it. The fitting of the top is too tight too, and it sometimes retains one or two beans in the funnel section. It doesn't look like they tested it for single dosing.

                    The display is very intuitive but much too bright, even when dimmed to the lowest setting. There's no auto sleep for the grinder or display.

                    The grind dial seems to be a minor improvement over the one on the previous Mignon. It's larger with markers on the side. It's however really not meant to switch between espresso and filter easily (that takes 2 or 3 full revolutions). I can't easily discern a visual difference in grind size even when moving the dial by 2 full notches.

                    Overall, it's a very nice looking grinder with great qualities and a few minor quirks.
                    It might also be the cheapest option out there for a 64mm flat burr.

                    Comment


                    • Cammo23
                      Cammo23 commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Cheers for the comments on the XL, so you obviously had a good buying experience from the website you got it from?

                    • dimmy
                      dimmy commented
                      Editing a comment
                      Thanks for the feedback. The unit sounds like a winner and the retention is very reasonable. I won't be able to taste 0.3g of 'staler' grinds.

                      Seems like it was very quick delivery. The ETA on Aust stock is Mid April.

                      Did you get the black, white, or chrome unit? Pictures?

                    • bernardd
                      bernardd commented
                      Editing a comment
                      I bought it from elektros.it. It's the black model and they did nail the look.
                  Working...
                  X