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    In my search for an upgrade of my Mazzer Kony I was wandering if anyone is using the big Compak e10 conical grinder these days?
    I am trying to discover whether grind retention is a deal breaker for home users? Also whether noise level is acceptable?
    I would also like to clarify if the fine grind adjustment works well on these machines?



  • #2
    Hmm... 68mm conical burrs. If retention is an issue I would consider a Niche Zero. Interested to know your thoughts because you are clearly not new to the game.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tompoland View Post
      Hmm... 68mm conical burrs. If retention is an issue I would consider a Niche Zero. Interested to know your thoughts because you are clearly not new to the game.
      Happy to consider the Niche even though I do not see it in the same class as a Kony S, Ceado e37S or Compak e10 all of which are under consideration.
      Doesn’t look like the e10 is popular on this forum - I suspect due to grind retention, but no doubt a great grinder.

      $950 is probably good value for for the Niche - but I am not interested at the current inflated price.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by warmtone View Post

        Happy to consider the Niche even though I do not see it in the same class as a Kony S, Ceado e37S or Compak e10 all of which are under consideration.
        Doesn’t look like the e10 is popular on this forum - I suspect due to grind retention, but no doubt a great grinder.

        $950 is probably good value for for the Niche - but I am not interested at the current inflated price.
        Check reviews https://www.home-barista.com/blog/ni...ew-t57516.html against the Compak (and EK43) I think you may be impressed with the NZ. In most reviews it may not be in the same class price-wise but in terms of what you get in the cup, it either matches other grinders or improves on them.

        I have one and for dark roasts it compares favourably with my EG-1.

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        • warmtone
          warmtone commented
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          Yes - agreed the Niche faired very well and at the initial US cost an attractive option to both the EK43 and Kony.- especially for newcomers on a budget.
          But build quality and aesthetics and high price in Australia still limits its appeal.for me it is simply not in the Mazzer Kony build class.
          And I don’t see anything special in either the burr carrier design or grind adjustment. Zero retention is definitely a big plus for the Niche - and in this regard superior to the Kony and probably the EK43.

          It needs to be remembered the target audience for the Kony and EK43 is the medium volume cafe industry - where zero retention is less of an issue.
          Both can be used with great results by home baristas providing they are kept clean which means a bit more work for single dosing.

          I do not accept a Niche can do much more in the cup than a CLEAN Mazzer Kony - as it uses the same burrs!
          If anything, the Niche HB result confirms that the Mazzer 63mm conical burr design is about as good as it gets.

          As I stated in my thread on the e37S, I will stick with the Kony if I can’t find a grinder that addresses it’s (few) limitations - largely cludgy grind adjustment and loss if calibration when cleaning.

          I will be checking out the new Kony S , Ceado e37S once out of lockdown and I will have a look at the Niche in the flesh as well - if I can find one!

        • JohnA
          JohnA commented
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          i have had a play with the niche and it does what its designed to do very well, however its way too slow for me and would drive me insane when having to pull a few shots in a row, also dont really like the looks of it (but thats all personal). Grind retention is of no concern to me, easy to purge out, and i dont swap beans on a daily or weekly basis. I only went from the Kony E to the Kony S for the simplicity of been able to clean the burrs without losing your setting, the rest were nice to have, but not a reason to move up from the kony E IMHO.
          Personally, i wouldnt bother with the side step you are looking at, the kony E as you know will keep you happy for many years to come and even your grandkids will be able to enjoy it in the future as they are built to last forever. However is there is money burning a hole in your pocket and you just want to go that sidestep, go for it, i did it and no regrets, and even if my Kony E doesnt sell, because its not flavour of the month, thats also fine, as i'll keep both up on the bench. One for single origins, one for blends..
          Such a hard life

      • #5
        I've lost confidence in the e10 and the e series. Too many expensive repairs in admittedly 4yo home use only grinders. No warranty, but 4 years of use represents 2 weeks in a busy cafe.

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        • warmtone
          warmtone commented
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          Caffeinator Thanks for the heads up.
          Not what I expected and disappointing especially since the e10 ads claim the new e10 Master OD can grind 15kgm plus an hour.
          They should never fail in a home environment where most of us would take 12 months to grind this amount!

          Are the e10 problems you have encountered electronic or mechanical?

          Re Mazzer Kony - never had an issue with reliability - these machines are rock solid and built to last a lifetime.
          The e10 is off the shortlist!

        • Caffeinator
          Caffeinator commented
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          G'day warmtone. I have seen a mix of dead interfaces ($$$), a complete gearbox failure ($$$$), and a couple of relay/capacitor fails ($$$). In no case had killer debris such as metal gone through the grinders and owners beans had been through a destoner which was operating correctly. Given that a fresh is essential the same grinder, that's sufficient for me to be wary of them..

      • #6
        warmtone the Kafatek conical also uses Mazzer burrs doesn't suffer retention but does come at a price premium.

        Cheers

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        • warmtone
          warmtone commented
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          SanderP - Thanks I will have a look as Kafatek is one grinder I haven’t investigated.

        • mthomas87
          mthomas87 commented
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          If you’re interested in big conicals then it might be worthwhile signing up for the early bird pricing for the Weber workshops Key grinder. $1500 USD early bird pricing for basically a single dosing Robur. Looks pretty cool too

      • #7
        @mthomas87 Weber make really nice stuff ....... I will also check this one out.

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