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    Hi,

    long time reader, first time poster. I am in the market for a new grinder for single dosing for single O espresso. The NZ seemed like the obvious answer, however they appear to be quite difficult to source locally and I’d prefer something that has Australian warranty. I have looked at the H1 Hey Cafe, but we are fairly space limited, and the footprint is too large. I came across the Lagom p64 and I must say it looks amazing, ticks all the boxes on paper accept that it is getting very expensive. Today, I was told about the Ceado E5SD, it seems like a decent option, cheaper than the Lagom p64 by a few hundred which is nice. I can see the p64 was the variable speed motor, but I have no idea if I would make use of that feature. To me the Lagom looks a lot nicer aesthetically. Is there anything else that sets it apart that I am missing?

    I have done a bit of research on the E5SD but cannot seem to find to many reviews on how it performs on its own or when compared to the NZ or p64, I am aware that Ceado have a decent reputation though. Would love to hear people’s thoughts/opinions, the P64 is just affordable (and may not be in the future), and I like the idea of getting an end game grinder that will last a lifetime, but I am not sure if I'm getting caught up in the idea of it being a design piece when a more affordable grinder will do just as well.

    Sam

  • #2
    I have the Niche but have been considering the P64 for sometime and it may very well stay that way. The NZ realistically does all I need but it is a PIA if you are doing multiple coffees regularly but I expect that to be the case of single dose grinders generally, hence bean cellars. If you can be faffed using bellows (which I can’t) there is also the Chinese made G-IOTA/DF64 that comes in @ less than 1k. Certainly won’t for a moment suggest it to be equal to the Langom or the Ceado but it is half the cost. A mob in New Zealand that seems to have distribution rites for Oz..... it’s at least worth a look....

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    • #3
      doubleobill what sort of coffeedo you prefer? Espresso or brewed? Light or dark?

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      • #4
        Another one to throw in if you aren't in a rush might be the Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dosing, probably likely to be just under the Ceado in price, but would guess 3 or more months out. It is on Eureka's webpage. I would buy the one you want, even if a little more, you probably will eventually (the p64 is having some teething troubles at the moment, so maybe hold for a bit)

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        • #5
          Hadnt thought of Ora ... still to arrive is Australia but with flat burrs and an estimated $1350 it would get my vote. It was meant to be here by now but obviously not here. A waiting game.

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          • 338
            338 commented
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            Suggested release August, maybe a bit later here. Price is right by a reputable company. I like the look of it too, not as good looking as a P64 but looks better than a Niche

        • #6
          Originally posted by tompoland View Post
          doubleobill what sort of coffeedo you prefer? Espresso or brewed? Light or dark?
          Thanks for the thoughts so far. I should have mentioned, I'm an espresso drinker and prefer a light to medium roast. I don't have any desire to grind for pour over, french press etc.

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          • #7
            There's not much difference in the NZ, H1 and p64 footprint.

            Heycafe H1 23 x 14 cm
            Niche Zero 21 x 12 cm
            Lagom p64 21 x 13 cm

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            • doubleobill
              doubleobill commented
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              thanks, I should have been more specific in that its the height. The bench space we have free has cupboards above so I reckon 470mm is a deal breaker atm. TBH the Ceado is going to be pushing it height wise but it would fit

            • sam678
              sam678 commented
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              Here's a solution to the height issue on the H1,

              https://coffeesnobs.com.au/forum/equ...-grinder/page6

              if you have access to a 3D printer.

          • #8
            I can add that i've been very surprised by the Heycafe H1 when compared to my Niche and I find myself reaching for it more and more often tbh. Filter coffee is hands down better from it as its a flat. Espresso is more of an adjustment for me but have had some amazing shots from it.

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            • #9
              Lots of people on the forum have the small but powerful and great at single dosing Eureka Mignon Specialita. Not cheap but not outrageously expensive and fits nicely in any kitchen. Will last forever. I have used it with the hopper and now single dosing. It is very versatile and this is what most people need. You can use it as you want.

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              • saeco_user
                saeco_user commented
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                wattgn, would you put the Atom in the same category (good for on-demand and single dosing)?

              • roosterben
                roosterben commented
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                I have owned an Atom 60E and single dosed it for a 6 months or so just using a tamper. I have also used a Mignon 50mm for a short period, honestly I think the Mignon is a better option. The Atom 60 does a get a heap of grounds caught in the chamber and chute, actual retention is not too bad but that and the fact the schute is longer and plastic ended up turning me off the grinder.

                You can also consider the DF64, even though it doesn't tick the Australian warranty box there is a NZ distributor in place, I think it is about $750 odd AUD. But at $340 USD plus shipping online it is good value for a single doser if you want to buy from China without warranty.

              • wattgn
                wattgn commented
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                I have owned the Atom 60E and I think it is overkill but also I didn't like the design particularly. It has a long chute and can be prone to blockage. It also takes several tools to take apart and clean.

                The later model Atom grinders such as the 65 and 75 do single dose well (reportedly). The 60E won't single dose without a lot of annoying pop corning.

                I thought that the single dosing of the Specialita is excellent.

            • #10
              Originally posted by doubleobill View Post
              I can see the p64 was the variable speed motor, but I have no idea if I would make use of that feature.
              I am not trying to convince you one way or another but to provide you with more things to pounder.

              I have a Lagom P64 with the high uniformity burr set. I see the variable speed grinding as a fine-turning feature. Depending on the grind speed, you get very slightly different notes in the coffee even when cutting through milk. The following table summarise my observations. Depending on how sensitive you palate is, you may or may not notice the difference but I think most people will notice it. The question is: are you appreciative of the different notes that can be had from a variable speed grinder?
              Lower grind speed Higher grind speed
              More clarity Less clarity
              Less body More body
              Less cocoa notes More cocoa notes

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              • doubleobill
                doubleobill commented
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                thanks, out of curiosity, what number do you use for lower? Looking at your table I would be going to toward lower, but I dont know if Id really change it up much, who knows. Anyway it looks like the Ceado runs at 1380 rpm whereas the P64 tops out at at 1400, so there's a fair bit of difference there

              • lancruiser
                lancruiser commented
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                It's mean to be relatively. For espresso, I am grinding at speed 4 up to 10 depend on what I am trying to achieve. For filter (V60 and the like), I am grinding with speed 2 or 3. I am thinking of ordering another P64 with the brew burr set specifically for filter.

            • #11
              Anyway it looks like the Ceado runs at 1380 rpm whereas the P64 tops out at at 1400, so there's a fair bit of difference there
              You can't really compare grinder based on grind speed. The burr geometry will play a more significant role in determining the flavour in the cup. For example, if you choose the High Uniformity burr set in the P64, you will get more clarity and less body than a Eureka Atom 65 for the same coffee even when they are grinding at the same RPM. See my write-up here.

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              • doubleobill
                doubleobill commented
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                thanks, I actually came across this thread the other day and read your write-up. Interesting information

            • #12
              hi Everyone, thanks for all the input. For a few different reasons I decided to go with the Ceado, coming from using Lelit Kate I am sure it will be a decent step up.

              Thanks again
              Sam

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              • #13
                Hi everyone

                I've had the Ceado for about two weeks now, thought I'd post a bit of an update for anybody who might be interested in the machine.

                Firstly, its very solid and well built, the base and grind adjustment are plastic and the quality feels good. The grinder is bigger then expected but this probably my fault for not paying for attention to the width and depth of it (I only bothered to really look at the height).

                The machine itself works well, it took some trial and error but I think I am consistently getting pretty close to zero retention, I find that pumping the bellows part way through the grind and then after works best for me, I sit the bean cup in the top of the bellows whilst grinding like this person does https://youtu.be/7U-ixboCjII. I do find that a small amount of coffee gets stuck in the chute and requires a small brush or similar to be stuck up there to poke it free. The machine is also reasonably quite at least when compared to the grinder on our Lelit Kate. There are a few things I was really expected, one is the grind time. One the Kate it took around 12.5 seconds to grind roughly 21grams of beans, the default (and only setting) on the Ceado is 20 second I believe however I am finding that I need to consistently press the pulse button again and let it run for another 5 to 10 seconds to finish. What appears to be happening is that the last few beans are pop corning quite badly and take a look time to find there way into the burrs. There is also more clumping then I expected and I have had to make a few changes (adding WDT) to my dosing method to try and avoid shot channelling but its a bit of a battle. Dosing straight into the portafilter using the included funnel to easy enough or there is the included dosing cup.

                All in all I am happy with the purchase, I don't think I would have ground more then 500g to date so I am hoping to get a bit more consistency once the burrs fully season but I would recommend the grinder for consideration by anyone who single doses

                thanks for all the input
                Sam

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                • #14
                  Any updates?

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                  • #15
                    I’m happy with my Bezerra BB005 paired with my La Pavoni’s but I’d love a HeyCafe H1 for when I grind and bag coffee for my sister and some friends- I also have a Mazzer Luigi and JX800 for these large quantities but for single dose the Bezzera.

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