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  • Baratza settle 270 vs G-iota DF64

    Hi all, wanting to get some insights on the above mentioned grinders, currently wanting to start making more spro at home as to lockdown and realise I do enjoy it alot after many years of v60,clever dripper, aeropress and mokapot.

    Current setup at home is the above manual filter coffee makers with comandante c40 and an isomac heat exchanger machine.

    Wanting to see which one should I go for, I'm aftering taste primarily follow by retention, loudness, reliability, particle distribution, static .... In short I guess the whole lot.

    I'm willing stretch the budget for the Giota but kinda don't want to wait and I dunno if I'll be pleased with the sette hence the dilemma.

    Also if Giota which burr set would be best for espresso.

    Thanks everyone for the help and sorry for such long post.

  • #2
    Morning,

    Can't comment specifically on the Sette but i have owned the DF64 for about a month now.

    Retention: Ridiculously low. I am averaging 0.1-0.2g after a clean out and proper use of the bellows. However I did make a small mod to the clump crusher (was a 10 minute job)
    Loudness: It is kinda loud, but its quite a high pitch sound but I am used to the Robur now which is a deeper sound so it comes across as quieter if that makes sense.
    Reliability: Remains to be seen, but I haven't heard any grumblings yet. However its only been out 6 months or so. Maybe less.
    Particle Distribution: If you go for the unimodal burrs and proper alignment it will be as good as you can get really.
    Static: It does suffer from some static. You can RDT and modify the clump crusher. this helps but it wont eliminate it.
    Burrs: I have the TiN coated ones - this was because the wait for standard was crazy so I just thought stuff it for $100 extra. The option is there to upgrade to SSP and if you are comfortable aligning them yourself you have a grinder as capable as one worth 3x the price. I am probably not convinced the average punter would be able to tell the difference between SSP and the standard burrs, maybe if they were side by side.

    The DF64 is setup for single dosing only, there is no hopper. This isn't a problem for less than 4 or 5 coffees at a time. But if you entertain a lot and make 5 or 6 in one go it can be a bit slow. Not a problem for me as I exclusively single dose, but it is a deal breaker for some.

    Finally on taste - I think James Hoffman nailed it on the head. If you are chasing a pure taste only, the DF64 is a great option albeit with some annoyances. I would recommend his video to see what he says, but keep an open mind about what he says as he does heavily favour the niche.

    I quite like the DF64 and my wife even says that she can taste the difference between it and the higher retention on the Robur.

    The sette has had its reliability problems, particularly the earlier models I believe. But it's slightly cheaper than the DF64. They both will perform well for espresso to filter ranges. But the DF64 will likely slightly outperform the sette, but again the average punter probably wont be able to tell.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the reply, I would love to get the grinder but yes like I said that long wait is kinda holding me off, yeah have followed JH on YouTube for quite some time and yes seems he kinda favours the NZ in many occasions but as he said if the flavour in cup that matters then the Giota is the way to go, but just be prepared to do some modding

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      • #4
        I've had a Sette 270i for just under 3 years and for the last 6 months it has started to jump down grind settings during use. I've emailed Baratza and they suggested a few things but none have worked for me. I think their design is flawed and I wouldn't recommend this grinder to anyone. It also doesn't really do single dosing properly as you need to load about 10% more beans into the hopper to get consistent grind quality and retention is quite bad too. I'm considering the GF64 as a replacement.

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        • #5
          Thanks for the reply dischucker, yes my heart is leaning towards the gf64 as well, have been in touch with the NZ distributer and have been told shipment is coming real soon

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          • #6
            I also have a Sette 270 (Wi) and I also wouldn't recommend it. This is a warranty replacement for a 270 W that failed totally and was unrepairable, the replacement also failed but it was the common power supply PCB failure so I was able to fix it myself.

            I've relegated it to winery duties where it only really gets used for three months of the year hoping that might mean it lasts a bit longer.

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            • #7
              Thanks Lyrebird, whow so much replies in regards to reliability issues on the sette which makes me question should I steer away from baratza I'm general ?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lengjaimarco View Post
                Thanks for the reply dischucker, yes my heart is leaning towards the gf64 as well, have been in touch with the NZ distributer and have been told shipment is coming real soon
                I've tried to get in touch with them. Sent 4 emails over 3-4 weeks and never got a response.

                Do you know when stock might be landing?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by partriar View Post

                  I've tried to get in touch with them. Sent 4 emails over 3-4 weeks and never got a response.

                  Do you know when stock might be landing?
                  Hey there, they mentioned should arrive within next 3 weeks.

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                  • partriar
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                    Awesome, thank you. Ill keep an eye on their website as well.

                • #10
                  I've owned the Sette 270wi for a couple of years now and had to replace the gearbox, power board and front display, all on seperate occasions. Everything was covered under warranty. While the grinder is great with weight based dosing and decent grinds for espresso, reliability is super questionable.

                  I'm currently looking at buying another grinder myself, I enjoy the body and mouth feel of the conical burr set in the Sette so have decided on trying to obtain a Kafatek Monolith MC4 and stay with conical but the DF64 is a great value for money single dose flat burr.

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by rxw View Post
                    I've owned the Sette 270wi for a couple of years now and had to replace the gearbox, power board and front display, all on seperate occasions. Everything was covered under warranty. While the grinder is great with weight based dosing and decent grinds for espresso, reliability is super questionable.

                    I'm currently looking at buying another grinder myself, I enjoy the body and mouth feel of the conical burr set in the Sette so have decided on trying to obtain a Kafatek Monolith MC4 and stay with conical but the DF64 is a great value for money single dose flat burr.
                    Thanks mate for your response, hmmm I guess baratza is a nono for me then, now just wait until df64 is in stock and I'll be a happy man??

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                    • #12
                      I have had the Sette 270wi for around 6 months now. Only using it for light home use. I have had zero issue with it and I rate it highly. It’s simple to use, with just setting the weight and pressing go. So no need to measure out to single dose.
                      There is some retention in the machine, however, the weight is measured at the output and not input, so retention is less of an issue. It’s easy to clean with the burrs dropping out without tools. And there seems to be a wide range of grind sizes as they include extra shims for further adjustment.
                      I would consider it quite noisy for a grinder, but it’s quick to grind.
                      As mentioned above, there was reliability issues. However, I understand this to be with the early models. I believe that baratza have addressed these with the recent models.
                      I now grind into the supplied jug rather then the PF as I was finding some static and it was was quite fluffy. I just simply pour the grounds into the PF. If you search the other baratza sette thread, it will explain this better.
                      So I wouldn’t right off the Sette so quick. It’s a very good grinder for the price with its own pros and cons.
                      it really depends what you require.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by lastlineofdefence View Post
                        I have had the Sette 270wi for around 6 months now. Only using it for light home use. I have had zero issue with it and I rate it highly. It’s simple to use, with just setting the weight and pressing go. So no need to measure out to single dose.
                        There is some retention in the machine, however, the weight is measured at the output and not input, so retention is less of an issue. It’s easy to clean with the burrs dropping out without tools. And there seems to be a wide range of grind sizes as they include extra shims for further adjustment.
                        I would consider it quite noisy for a grinder, but it’s quick to grind.
                        As mentioned above, there was reliability issues. However, I understand this to be with the early models. I believe that baratza have addressed these with the recent models.
                        I now grind into the supplied jug rather then the PF as I was finding some static and it was was quite fluffy. I just simply pour the grounds into the PF. If you search the other baratza sette thread, it will explain this better.
                        So I wouldn’t right off the Sette so quick. It’s a very good grinder for the price with its own pros and cons.
                        it really depends what you require.
                        Thanks for the reply,

                        I'm still considering between the new gf64, sette270, and potentially now the Eureka specialita,

                        I require it to help me pull 1-2 shots of good spro per day?

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                        • #14
                          I would say the DF64 and the Eureka specialita are more similar than the settte 270.
                          Particularly with the bellows for the Eureka. I have no experience with the Eureka - but from what I read the retention is low, but not quite as low as the DF64. However I doubt you would be able to tell the difference between a few points of a gram difference in retention.
                          Looks like both the DF64 and Eureka are a similar amount of money.

                          The Sette is different - conical burrs and a bit higher retention. It's important to note that when people talk about retention there are some misnomers thrown around.
                          There is a true retention which is how much coffee that is put in actually comes out.
                          This shouldn't be confused with dose accuracy - ie if you put 16g in you get exactly 16g out - which is where the sette comes into it's own with the weighing feature in the 270w.
                          Then there is exchange - you might put 16g in but you don't get the same 16g out as 1g is held in the grind path somewhere.

                          I suspect the sette will be the 'easiest' to use and the cheapest. But this comes at a price of slightly higher retention. It really depends how you want to use it and the workflow you are willing to put up with or not. An extra 20 seconds work for 1-2 coffees isn't a big deal. But if you are going to have parterns/friends use the coffee grinder too there will be a learning curve that is steeper for the DF64 and Eureka, not so much for the sette.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by WhatEverBeansNecessary View Post
                            I would say the DF64 and the Eureka specialita are more similar than the settte 270.
                            Particularly with the bellows for the Eureka. I have no experience with the Eureka - but from what I read the retention is low, but not quite as low as the DF64. However I doubt you would be able to tell the difference between a few points of a gram difference in retention.
                            Looks like both the DF64 and Eureka are a similar amount of money.

                            The Sette is different - conical burrs and a bit higher retention. It's important to note that when people talk about retention there are some misnomers thrown around.
                            There is a true retention which is how much coffee that is put in actually comes out.
                            This shouldn't be confused with dose accuracy - ie if you put 16g in you get exactly 16g out - which is where the sette comes into it's own with the weighing feature in the 270w.
                            Then there is exchange - you might put 16g in but you don't get the same 16g out as 1g is held in the grind path somewhere.

                            I suspect the sette will be the 'easiest' to use and the cheapest. But this comes at a price of slightly higher retention. It really depends how you want to use it and the workflow you are willing to put up with or not. An extra 20 seconds work for 1-2 coffees isn't a big deal. But if you are going to have parterns/friends use the coffee grinder too there will be a learning curve that is steeper for the DF64 and Eureka, not so much for the sette.
                            Thanks mate, honestly speaking I would dive right in for df64 if have stock readily available right now as I'm sick and tired of hand grinding 2-3 spro shots a day at the moment , so either get a specialita now or a df64, but as I've seen numerous reviews that specialita isn't really a single dose at the end of the day so dunno if it really Gunna affect my daily routine but its main purpose is to serve me a few good s.o spros a day at maximum?

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