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    Hi,

    I've been off the forum for some time but still chasing my hobby of coffee .

    I'm after a single dose grinder that is equal to or better than my HG-One for espresso (90%), with the odd use for plunger (5%) or pour over (5%)

    I own an HG-One and due to nerve injuries that have ended my working capacity I also incidentally have issues grinding my coffee some days (both major life events!).

    I'm unsure:

    A. What the HG-One is worth (It's in pristine condition)
    B. What choices are good ones in the current market as good or better grind than HG-One for my grind requirements described above?

    I was thinking Niche Zero until I read of some issues as an Australian Market which make the company seem a risk.
    Eureka Oro Mignon?
    Another I saw that has some sort of bellow on top (can't recall the name but it was mentioned a few times on the forum here as a Niche Zero Alternate)



    I found this one online but I'm not familiar with its development and rep: Lagom P64 Flat Burr Grinder- estimated late Feb 2022 dispatch — OPTION-O

    My criteria are:
    1. zero retention (including no major static issues that must be worked around)
    2. single dose grinding (up to about 20g most days is what I use for a double)
    3. reliable
    4. low noise
    5. able to be adjusted between grind settings relatively easily (for different beans for example - or to do a cold brew in summer and switch back to espresso).

    I'd appreciate advice or input - especially from owners .
    Last edited by Javaphile; 17 December 2021, 12:14 AM. Reason: commercial links removed

  • #2
    There is a little bit about the Lagom already in this thread (including owners opinions) , worth a read if you are interested in that unit. https://coffeesnobs.com.au/forum/equ...2577-lagom-p64

    You will probably have to lose your Lagom link as they are not a sponsor

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    • #3
      hg one uses conical burrs, as does the niche. The lagom P64 on the other hand uses flat burrs. Both are good grinders and both you will need to import yourself.
      My preference would be for the lagom p64 with the SSP burrs. Have not heard a single bad thing about them. Look beautiful, quiet and quality build. Though its a long wait for one, i think if you place an order now its late Feb dispatch

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      • #4
        HG-1 is awesome, 83mm conical burrs, hard to find anything better. You can find a motorised version of it with the new Weber Key, plus there are probably a few other versions around that emulate this grinder.

        All depends on what sort of coffee you drink, espresso or filter.

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        • #5
          If you like the conical style, from all reports you should be pretty happy with a P64 with HU burrs. I've used one with MP burrs and it's so simple to use workflow wise. Better than the Niche.

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          • #6
            The other option is to add a motor drive to the HG 1 Google "HG 1motor kit" and look for the Wug 2

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            • #7
              THanks for the input .

              I don't think I have a bur 'type'. I appreciate some of the differences however also think the overall design differences here make it hard for me to say one is better value based on its burs (given my other criteria, price and availability etc).

              I think importing is a choice I'd rather avoid right now. Shipping costs to Australia are horrific, and there are the delays with some items coming to market. I'm seeing Niche range from $1399 to $2000 so I guess price gouging is a thing in the grinder world now?



              How does the Eureka grinder fit in this lineup?

              I'll investigate a motor kit for my HG-1 too... thanks for the suggestion .

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              • level3ninja
                level3ninja commented
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                Eureka are great at everything but single dosing. If you're doing that I'd avoid them.

              • amberale
                amberale commented
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                It may have been my lack of experience with single dosing but I had no problems single dosing with a Silenzio and only upgraded because I was inflicted with upgraditis and a miniscule penis.

              • JohnA
                JohnA commented
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                shipping for the lagom p-64 is actually very reasonable at $50 US to melbourne

            • #8
              THe oro mignon is designed for single dosing though isn't it?

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              • level3ninja
                level3ninja commented
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                It's labelled that way. All the single dosing bits of it are after additions rather than part of the design process. Initial reports are of retention of 0.5g as a minimum and the bellows doing next to nothing.

            • #9
              I've been doing more reading and still not able to get a sense of where the HG-One fits in a lineup with something like the P64. Mine is one of the earlier ones (stepped adjustment, 83mm Mazzer burs). I use an E61 based machine (Giotto) so that's pretty standard and unless I get a lever or something much more expensive I don't see a lot of gains changing that. It would be helpful to know how the grinder sits in my equation of seeking nicer coffee (I like sweetness, clarity and balance I guess over other factors and often drink with milk. Interested in doing more with pourover and have a few bits of kit for that.

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              • #10
                The biggest difference will be conical vs flat burrs. 64mm burrs have probably have the most options available and the P64 is an excellent platform. The stock Italmill burrs are pretty reasonable and some people are completely happy with them. There are also 3x main SSP burr options, HU, MP, and Brew.

                High Uniformity are said to be closest to a traditional conical shot with high body, good for warm chocolatey notes with less clarity than the others.

                Multi Purpose (or Unimodal V2) are said to be lower body but higher clarity. It's possible to pull espresso with these relatively easily, and theyre great for filter.

                Brew (or Unimodal V1) are said to be the best for filter but a pain to attempt espresso with.

                There are also the Option-O designed cast burrs coming out early next year that are a rip off of the Ditting Lab Sweet burrs (80mm). In the last couple of days SSP have released pictures of what looks very similar to the Option-O cast burrs but fully machined and with slightly different final cutter burr geometry. There are no public reviews of these available yet. (Pictures are available on respective IG accounts). The Ditting Lab Sweet burrs are said to be between HU and MP for particle distribution.

                So basically if you're happy with flat burr flavour profiles in general then you should be safe because you can always change burrs.

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                • lancruiser
                  lancruiser commented
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                  My experience with the high uniformity burrs is different. My view is that if you are after body and chocolate notes, you will be disappointed with the high uniformity burrs. These burrs are nothing like conical burrs. Although not highly emphasised by Option-O, they do have good clarity. The high uniformity burrs are my go-to burrs for black espresso based coffee. They are somewhere between the standard burrs and unimodal espresso (v2) burrs as explained by a chart in Option-O's FAQ.
                  Last edited by lancruiser; 24 December 2021, 09:39 AM.

                • level3ninja
                  level3ninja commented
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                  lancruiser yeah I've worded that pretty poorly! I was trying to describe traditional conicals and say of these the HU are the closest to that on this list, not equate them as it sounds on second reading. They are definetely still a flat burr profile and need to be expected to behave as such.

              • #11
                Where are you based? If you're in Brisbane I'd be happy to give you a test run of the P64 sometime.

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                • #12
                  Originally posted by mjj View Post
                  Where are you based? If you're in Brisbane I'd be happy to give you a test run of the P64 sometime.
                  Thank you mjj that is a very generous and kind offer.

                  I am in Brisbane .

                  I live at Herston near Fortitude Valley.

                  Perhaps if we meet up I can bring my HG-One and we can have a play with both to compare?

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                  • #13
                    Sounds perfect, I'll touch base via PM and we can line something up.

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