Weber Workshops Key

[JohnA]

unfortunately that wont help either, i put 4 in my cart last night to try the same thing, and shipping went up to almost $80

Bes to just wait till stock arrives locally i would say

[Holycat]

Anyone from Brisbane would like order the “Bean Feeder” in bulk and share the cost?

[JohnA]

hopefully wont be too long

[Cammo23]

It looks like quite a good little piece of kit to add on to the key, definitely keen to try it on mine. Wonder how long it will take to get a bunch of them to Australia

[JohnA]

i noticed weber has released a bean feeder for the key grinder. Not sure i need it as i havent had any issues without it, but would still like to try it.
What is the killer here is shipping. $28 for the part and $57 shipping.

edit, just got word they will be available locally also....now thats great news. I'll grab one for sure

https://youtu.be/WRhiB20Ihyc

[MDF]

Awesome, thanks. I think the P100 is where I'm leaning.

I've been using a Robur for the last 15 years or so, which naturally knocks it out of the park for chocolaty lattes etc, but I struggle with lighter / omni roasts on it. That and single dose workflow kinda sucks.

[JohnA]

The P100 is a great all rounder and does a great job on filter, espresso and milk based.
My wife prefers milk drinks from the key, my preference is actually the P100
Comes down to which flavour profile you prefer. The Key isnt like your normal conical burr grinders, like Kony or niche, offers more clarity, but not to the point of the P100 or EG-1.

Out of my 3 grinders, if i had to settle for just 1 as an all rounder, id most likely settle on the P100, but im glad i dont have to make that call

[MDF]

It would seem at this point, EG-1 will be my filter grinder
P100 my espresso
Key for latte or other milk based drinks

How does the P100 fair for milk drinks? Appreciate it's probably not its forte, but is it still passable vs the Key?

[JohnA]

Having had it for a few days now here are the things i like and dont like about it so far.

Likes:

Finish is amazing, mine had no flaws marks or anything on it
Super quiet, The kony S was quieter but this comes fairly close
Grind quality is very good. I first used it without the magic tumbler wiper installed, then moved to it and didnt notice much of a difference.
Dialing it in was quick, and of course been a stepped adjustment
i also like that when you find the 0 point, you can lift the adjustment ring up and place it at 0
Shots have been very consistent
Cleaning is a very easy, and have found there to be hardly any retention
Workflow for me is fine, though i would like to be able to grind straight into a portafilter also. I found a nice 3d printed design for it, but it only accommodates straight handle portafilters





Things i dont like so much

adjustment ring is tighter to turn then other grinders i have used, The EG-1 which is the same style is so much easier to turn. I wouldnt want to be going from filter to espresso constantly
For me its also too low, the grind adjustment collar.
The leather tamping mat that came with it...looked at it, felt it and threw it straight back into the box.
the dosing cup, yep everyone has been complaining about this one and rightly so. It just barely holds 20g in it, and isnt the easiest to RDT. Apparently the acaia 53mm dosing cups fits in there nicely, so something i may look into

They are really my only complaints at this stage. I havent had the speed very low to see if the motor stalls and doubt i would ever go that low...I started at 90rpm and have tried everything between 90 and 50 with no issues.

What i also discovered, if you feel you needed something in between 2 grind point, a little adjustment on the grinding speed will get you there. For me the difference between the 2 grind points is around 2-3 seconds

I wont go into too much detail of flavours, but i will say its not your typical conical burr flavours
I'll go into more details as i spend more time with it in the battle of the giants thread

So all in all, i am glad i did decide to give it a go and not just sell it.

It would seem at this point, EG-1 will be my filter grinder
P100 my espresso
Key for latte or other milk based drinks

[JohnA]

yochiya, i have only made 2 coffees with mine, one double espresso and one latte

I found the exact same thing as you with the espresso. however as milk based, those conical characteristics really came through.

Mine came with the magic tumbler, but i never bothered installing the wiper, as i just WDT in the basket.

I also found it strange looking at the ground beans, they did look coarser then i am use to, so strange

[JohnA]

I received mine yesterday and i must say so far the experience from Weber has been very good.
They seem to get some bad press out there, and it is the nature of the beast that most people only like to write about their bad experiences.

My first contact with weber was when i changed address. (even though i had put a note on there that i will be moving prior to the delivery date) i still emailed them once i had moved, so they can change my shipping address on the order. Which they replied to very quickly and changed it, also sending a confirmation email.

Next was as the grinder got ready to ship, i asked a couple technical questions, and again immediate response with the answers.

When they were about to ship it, again they contacted me and asked if the shipping address was correct, as the note about me moving was still there.

And finally yesterday when it arrived, i received an email to let me know they made an error and put the teak cady in my package instead of the onyx which i ordered and apologised for the mistake,

I was happy to see how it suited my workspace and wrote back to them, to let them know the colour clashed with my current timber bench top.
Weber is now sending me an onyx candy.

So for me, apart from the waiting time to get it, the process communication and help has been first class

Now to dial in that sucker and enjoy some coffee

[Bosco_Lever]

I seriously doubt you will notice much difference as there are too many other variables to consider. Quality of beans and technique would be the main concern. RPM's will be negligible in comparison. If I grind faster/slower on my HG-1 it makes very little difference, compared to dose and grind.

[jasiano]

I have found on mine that lower RPM produces (very) marginally slower shots... but it's not like I have done a proper scientific experiment recording of it. Slower extraction on my BDB anyways tend to produce denser body and more of the earthy flavours.. again, nothing scientific just to my average tastebuds... could be totally BS/cognitive bias etc....

I have found that for medium to dark(er) roasts I can go down to 50RPM and get nice shots. Lighter roasts especially those that are really designed for filter coffee need 90RPM at a minimum to really actually grind.

[Jams]

The adjustment ring is solid, and I really don't think it could be accidently lifted during grinding. That said WW state in the manual quite strongly, don't run machine with the adjustment ring up.

[Jams]

So what is the consensus on RPM settings? I've been putting my new Weber through its paces at 90RPM, and having a fair bit of variance shot to shot, which I'm putting down as seasoning. So I haven't played with the RPM yet. At some stage I will, and from my understanding it will affect clarity/body. But which in what direction, and what am I looking for?