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    Hi everyone.
    Looking at assistance with purchasing a grinder.
    Budget ideally up to $1500.
    I am wanting this solely for use in milk based coffees.
    I tend to prefer medium roasts.
    I was thinking of Niche zero then realised that I won't really change beans or grind size as all I'll be using it for is milk based beverages.
    From the tonnes of research I had done I found the eureka atom 75 to be a good contender.
    But I once again ask for your wisdom.
    Oh another thing that is important is that it should make little to no mess.

  • #2
    Hard to beat the Niche for medium/dark milk coffee. Interested to know what others think. That said I've never used the Atom. I did have Eureka Helios 80 though.

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    • MaverickJohn
      MaverickJohn commented
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      That's what I was seeing on to begin with but thought I wouldn't appreciate the benefits of a single dose as I'll be pretty much going through a bag at a time of the same beans. And wouldn't shuffle between beans

  • #3
    Really depends if you want to hopper dose or single dose, and of you prefer the flavour profile of flat burrs or conical.

    If you want to single dose the Niche is perfect for you. If you want to hopper dose the same beans month in, month out then the Atom 65 would be great, IMO the extra $$ for the 75 won't be discernable in milk.

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    • MaverickJohn
      MaverickJohn commented
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      I was thinking hopper is probably more convenient if I make it when friends come over.
      I am really liking the niche but again not sure if the single dose would really suit me if I have visitors. There can be times where I will have to make 10-12 coffees and I can see the niche will be an issue.
      I don't know how flat burrs fair in comparison to conical as I have only ever had conical grinders with Breville smart grinder and oracle.
      I am looking at eventually getting the lagom p64 as a final grinder but probably in conjunction with this grinder that I will purchase .

      Thank you for letting me know about the atom 65. Thought the 75 would have been better for the size but happy to save a little if not much gain

  • #4
    Can't go wrong with any of the major manufacturers with that budget.
    More specialised grinders like the Niche are a shoe-in for this duty too.

    Also worth considering 64mm flat-burr grinders too (several makes that use Mazzer Super Jolly burr-set dimensions). Work really well for a mix of uses and if the urge ever grabbed you in the future, you could upgrade the burrs for something more suited to filter or a more uniform espresso grind.

    Lots to think about but hard to go wrong...

    Mal.

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    • MaverickJohn
      MaverickJohn commented
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      End game will be lagom p64.
      While I posted the above question I noticed di pacci have the master robur automatic for $1500
      I also noticed they upgraded to the robur s but not thinking it's worth double the price. Is there opinions on that.?
      I haven't looked into the mazzer super jolly. Is it clean with coffee prep?

    • JohnA
      JohnA commented
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      dont bother with the robur, go the kony S. If you have no interest in single dosing or swapping beans over constantly, you will love the kony S or electric. Super fast quiet and easy to dial in

  • #5
    Originally posted by MaverickJohn View Post
    Hi everyone. Looking at assistance with purchasing a grinder. Budget ideally up to $1500. I am wanting this solely for use in milk based coffees. I tend to prefer medium roasts. I was thinking of Niche zero then realised that I won't really change beans or grind size as all I'll be using it for is milk based beverages. From the tonnes of research I had done I found the eureka atom 75 to be a good contender. But I once again ask for your wisdom. Oh another thing that is important is that it should make little to no mess.
    Have you had a look at a few options in person or have you only been shopping online so far? It's definitely worth visiting some retailers if you can. There's been a few times that I've been browsing equipment at shops and have been surprised by how different something has looked and felt in the flesh. Everything from the fit and finish to size and functionality as well as the overall impression of quality was easier to judge in person. Unless you think there's a chance you might want to experiment with single origin espressos at some point I think a single dosing grinder will just be annoying for you. Something with at least a small hopper that you can put 2-3 days worth of coffee in is probably the go. The Atom is the sort of thing along with something like a Compak E5 or even a Mahlkonig X54.

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    • #6
      Another vote for the niche. I’ve had a few grinders and really liked it. It’s small, light, and grinds consistently,

      remember if you have a hopper you’re always going to have a bunch of stale grinds in your grind chamber. Because single dose grinders get most of that out each time there is far less. If you’re only pulling one shot a day the shot from the hopper grinder is going to have a bunch of stale coffee in it which kinda defeats the purpose of grinding fresh.

      I’ve got the Lagom now. If you’re pulling medium dark roasts and drinking coffee with milk you won’t see any difference between the niche and Lagom

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      • #7
        The burr set/profile is what is important, I was chatting to level3ninja about this. Suppliers focus on burr size and speed, but its the taste in the cup that is important and the burrs have the biggest impact on the flavour profile. I wish suppliers would have grinders you could borrow for a day or two to try before you buy.

        This video touches on the profile of three different grinders, at the 10 min mark. The Niche is covered here also.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UCY8xekpG4

        I make milk based drinks only, and grind medium dark and full-bodied beans, the Eureka is a good fit. I don't drink SO or straight espresso. I have attached a 3rd party bellows for single dosing at that works really well. The Atom can single dose but its not really built for it. 10-12 drinks in a row would be a pain for single dosing, depends on how often you do it. If you are single dosing 90% of the time and entertaining 10% of the time, then that means you would be better off with a single dosing set up. We only make 4-5 drinks a day and max 5 in one sitting so single dose works fine for me. There is very little waste with beans for me with this set up.

        If you want to change burrs then something with 64mm is better as there are more options. The P64 is an amazing piece of kit, there are quite a few happy customers here with that grinder. There is also the DF64 and the new San Remo allgrounds which is also 64mm.

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        • #8
          If I was cranking out 10 - 12 coffees back to back several times a week then I would be tempted to go for a hoopr machine. But for me, once a week, the niche is pretty fast to load. If 90% of the shots are just for me, then I'd be after a SD grinder like the Niche. But sure, if you have guests around several times a week, I get it. And hey, why only have one grinder? Maybe get the type of grinder that you get the most out of now, and a year later add the other type.

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          • #9
            I think LeroyC makes a great point, if you can get to one of the site sponsor retail outlets and speak with someone experience like Antony at Casa Espresso or whoever the equivalent is in Sydney or Brisbane, you are going to get top advice.

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            • #10
              Originally posted by tompoland View Post
              If I was cranking out 10 - 12 coffees back to back several times a week then I would be tempted to go for a hoopr machine. But for me, once a week, the niche is pretty fast to load. If 90% of the shots are just for me, then I'd be after a SD grinder like the Niche. But sure, if you have guests around several times a week, I get it. And hey, why only have one grinder? Maybe get the type of grinder that you get the most out of now, and a year later add the other type.
              I think this will be what happens I will get a hopper one for now and look forward to get the p64 I keep thinking of limiting to one grinder but the more I see people like you with the dream set up, the more I keep realising I won't settle for one grinder.

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              • #11
                What machine have you got that you're pushing 10-12 shots through?

                Just wondering what your workflow looks like, how the milk frothing works into that etc.

                I've got a P64 for home, where I regularly make 3-4 at a time. I also do some commercial coffee cart work, where I have a big on-demand grinder.

                I have all the doses pre-weighed for home, so I can go through pretty fast. Even so, I'd balk at doing a run of 12 through my Synchronika and P64 on the regular. For that many people I think I'd be reaching for the chemex or a big french press at home.

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                • MaverickJohn
                  MaverickJohn commented
                  Editing a comment
                  I got the la pavoni Botticelli specialty but was using a Breville oracle prior and bes920 with SGP

              • #12
                I have the Atom 60MM and the Niche.

                My Niche is only around 6 weeks old but I am loving it. That said, I am a mad bean changer. I roast my own and will roast two or three different beans at a time so I have variety through the day. It works for me.
                Before the Niche I was using the Atom 60 and it too is a great grinder, hubby has nudged me to put it up for sale so I can put the funds towards the purchase of the new espresso machine, I have everything crossed it won't sell though because I want to keep it lol.

                We drink a mix of milky drinks and espresso.

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                • #13
                  Have a look at the Eureka Mignon XL. I have had one for over a year now and it won out over the Niche (just), not because of flavour, but I found I wasn’t using the Niche after owning both for about 6 months.

                  Given that I don’t change beans until I have finished the current bag a hopper is way more convenient, however the Niche is much quieter.

                  I drink mostly double ristretto lattes interspersed with the occasional espresso and long black.

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                  • #14
                    I may be throwing a cat amongst the pigeons here, but if’s you’re putting milk with your coffee then all the subtle differences between burrs, grind speed, etc are non existent. The milk is going to dampen any incremental gain.

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                    • Bosco_Lever
                      Bosco_Lever commented
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                      Exactly. As the roast "darkens" acidity, sweetness and body will be diminished, and toffee/choc/nut notes will be dominant.

                      Workflow would be your most important consideration.

                  • #15
                    Originally posted by Budgiesmuggler View Post
                    I may be throwing a cat amongst the pigeons here, but if’s you’re putting milk with your coffee then all the subtle differences between burrs, grind speed, etc are non existent. The milk is going to dampen any incremental gain.
                    Thanks for the info. For now my workflow is a priority hence why I was veering away from single dose as I want to cater for a few doses consecutively.
                    although I think I have been exposed to really bitter or acidic beans and would like to explore espressos etc and will gets p64 in a few years.
                    Even though milk will dampen flavour I can still taste (predominantly nutty flavours) through the milk
                    I appreciate for all the opinions on the niche but due to me delaying my single dose grinder until I get the p64 I think a bean hopper one for tasty, tidy, fast and accurate workflow is more along what I am aiming for.
                    So far I have got atom 65, mahlkonig x54, compak e5 and mignon xl.

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                    • coffeemachine
                      coffeemachine commented
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                      You could also consider the San Remo allgrounds. Any on your list will do a great job. I do like my Eureka grinder. If space is tight the XL is a good choice.
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