So I did end up ordering the atom 65. And my wife is ok with me getting a second grinder in a few years which I forewarned will be the p64.
it was a close one between the all grounds and atom. And since they were close enough I let my wife choose based on aesthetics. In which she preferred the atom.
I have to keep her in the loop if she will allow me to make these big purchases.
A big thank you to all.
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You could also consider the San Remo allgrounds. Any on your list will do a great job. I do like my Eureka grinder. If space is tight the XL is a good choice.
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I got the la pavoni Botticelli specialty but was using a Breville oracle prior and bes920 with SGP
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Thanks for the info. For now my workflow is a priority hence why I was veering away from single dose as I want to cater for a few doses consecutively.Originally posted by Budgiesmuggler View PostI may be throwing a cat amongst the pigeons here, but if’s you’re putting milk with your coffee then all the subtle differences between burrs, grind speed, etc are non existent. The milk is going to dampen any incremental gain.
although I think I have been exposed to really bitter or acidic beans and would like to explore espressos etc and will gets p64 in a few years.
Even though milk will dampen flavour I can still taste (predominantly nutty flavours) through the milk
I appreciate for all the opinions on the niche but due to me delaying my single dose grinder until I get the p64 I think a bean hopper one for tasty, tidy, fast and accurate workflow is more along what I am aiming for.
So far I have got atom 65, mahlkonig x54, compak e5 and mignon xl.
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Exactly. As the roast "darkens" acidity, sweetness and body will be diminished, and toffee/choc/nut notes will be dominant.
Workflow would be your most important consideration.
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I may be throwing a cat amongst the pigeons here, but if’s you’re putting milk with your coffee then all the subtle differences between burrs, grind speed, etc are non existent. The milk is going to dampen any incremental gain.
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Have a look at the Eureka Mignon XL. I have had one for over a year now and it won out over the Niche (just), not because of flavour, but I found I wasn’t using the Niche after owning both for about 6 months.
Given that I don’t change beans until I have finished the current bag a hopper is way more convenient, however the Niche is much quieter.
I drink mostly double ristretto lattes interspersed with the occasional espresso and long black.
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I have the Atom 60MM and the Niche.
My Niche is only around 6 weeks old but I am loving it. That said, I am a mad bean changer. I roast my own and will roast two or three different beans at a time so I have variety through the day. It works for me.
Before the Niche I was using the Atom 60 and it too is a great grinder, hubby has nudged me to put it up for sale so I can put the funds towards the purchase of the new espresso machine, I have everything crossed it won't sell though because I want to keep it lol.
We drink a mix of milky drinks and espresso.
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What machine have you got that you're pushing 10-12 shots through?
Just wondering what your workflow looks like, how the milk frothing works into that etc.
I've got a P64 for home, where I regularly make 3-4 at a time. I also do some commercial coffee cart work, where I have a big on-demand grinder.
I have all the doses pre-weighed for home, so I can go through pretty fast. Even so, I'd balk at doing a run of 12 through my Synchronika and P64 on the regular. For that many people I think I'd be reaching for the chemex or a big french press at home.
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I think this will be what happens I will get a hopper one for now and look forward to get the p64 I keep thinking of limiting to one grinder but the more I see people like you with the dream set up, the more I keep realising I won't settle for one grinder.Originally posted by tompoland View PostIf I was cranking out 10 - 12 coffees back to back several times a week then I would be tempted to go for a hoopr machine. But for me, once a week, the niche is pretty fast to load. If 90% of the shots are just for me, then I'd be after a SD grinder like the Niche. But sure, if you have guests around several times a week, I get it. And hey, why only have one grinder? Maybe get the type of grinder that you get the most out of now, and a year later add the other type.
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I think LeroyC makes a great point, if you can get to one of the site sponsor retail outlets and speak with someone experience like Antony at Casa Espresso or whoever the equivalent is in Sydney or Brisbane, you are going to get top advice.
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If I was cranking out 10 - 12 coffees back to back several times a week then I would be tempted to go for a hoopr machine. But for me, once a week, the niche is pretty fast to load. If 90% of the shots are just for me, then I'd be after a SD grinder like the Niche. But sure, if you have guests around several times a week, I get it. And hey, why only have one grinder? Maybe get the type of grinder that you get the most out of now, and a year later add the other type.
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The burr set/profile is what is important, I was chatting to level3ninja about this. Suppliers focus on burr size and speed, but its the taste in the cup that is important and the burrs have the biggest impact on the flavour profile. I wish suppliers would have grinders you could borrow for a day or two to try before you buy.
This video touches on the profile of three different grinders, at the 10 min mark. The Niche is covered here also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UCY8xekpG4
I make milk based drinks only, and grind medium dark and full-bodied beans, the Eureka is a good fit. I don't drink SO or straight espresso. I have attached a 3rd party bellows for single dosing at that works really well. The Atom can single dose but its not really built for it. 10-12 drinks in a row would be a pain for single dosing, depends on how often you do it. If you are single dosing 90% of the time and entertaining 10% of the time, then that means you would be better off with a single dosing set up. We only make 4-5 drinks a day and max 5 in one sitting so single dose works fine for me. There is very little waste with beans for me with this set up.
If you want to change burrs then something with 64mm is better as there are more options. The P64 is an amazing piece of kit, there are quite a few happy customers here with that grinder. There is also the DF64 and the new San Remo allgrounds which is also 64mm.
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Another vote for the niche. I’ve had a few grinders and really liked it. It’s small, light, and grinds consistently,
remember if you have a hopper you’re always going to have a bunch of stale grinds in your grind chamber. Because single dose grinders get most of that out each time there is far less. If you’re only pulling one shot a day the shot from the hopper grinder is going to have a bunch of stale coffee in it which kinda defeats the purpose of grinding fresh.
I’ve got the Lagom now. If you’re pulling medium dark roasts and drinking coffee with milk you won’t see any difference between the niche and Lagom
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