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ended up been a no brainer with the discount code. Thanks to AlternativeBrewing. Look forward to trying it out....
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for those that have purchased one, would you all be interested i n organising a group buy on the modified declumper on etsy. Seems to be a must from everything i have read, but more so for filter brewing
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JohnA got myself confused fact I ordered declumpers for the df64s I have on the way. It was anti-popcorning device I ordered for the df83 (dear God does this rabbit hole have no bottom?).
Can you confirm that the new AU df83 needs an aftermarket declumper too or have i led you astray with my mixing up grinders?Comment
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from everything i have read so far and videos i have seen, the 83 also needs a better declumper, or you can modify the original. but now i just looked up turins webpage and it would seem, the V2 will have the new plasma generator to reduce static build up in the exit chute and a modified declumper.
So maybe not needed??
Ah well i have it on order and can compare.
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we are not changing out the declumper mate, the new plasma generator is wired in, so i gues you could change the declumping part of it, but thats it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2aGpK_1aQ8
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Look what just landed on the bench in my new grinder lab...
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Whorl, if you have to ask, then the answer is YES!
The DLC burr upgrade in this beast is what pushed me over the edge to buy it - that and the great deal with the discount for CS from Alt Brewing.
Looking forward to doing a burr shoot off between the DLC burrs and Redspeed espresso burrs (got a second DF83 on the way for that comparision so I can grind and pour simultaneously). It should be outrageosly good fun. Then a shoot out between the DF64 and DF83 ... is bigger REALLY bettter???... stay tuned to find out! -
Conundrum! Only so much money in the budget. Really want those big burrs, but I'm stuck on my upgrade path. As much as I want it, feeling the bigger "upgrade" for me would be switching my Gene Cafe roaster for the Kaffelogic.
Looks like I'll bury myself in analysis-paralysis again.
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well, well, well Thanks to AlternativeBrewing look what just arrived at my place.
I must admit, the fit and finish for its price is very good. I was quite surprised i must admit. But more importantly is how she will perform against the big players
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tompoland, the P100 was beat by my EG-1 with the ULF burrs by a mile.
I made my first pourover with the DF83 just now and it wasnt too bad at all to be honest.
I dont do the whole seasoning of the burrs, just let them season as i am using it.
One thing i will say, this thing is loud, even with no beans in it, and im not a fan of the dosing cup and funnel that came with it...using them together just rattles like crazy and would have been nice if they were black to match the grinder
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Very interesting JohnA the burrs will definitely improve after 3 to 4 kg.
How are you finding retention?
Ended up too busy today but will season with 4kg tomorrow morning then try an espresso.Comment
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$12 a kg from coles. Darker the better. Grind as if for filter. 4kg min for coated burrs, 2kg minimum for non coated. Certainly not critical but the flavor does improve.
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im sure its been posted before but curious why darker roasts will be better as part of the seasoning process. Does the fineness at which you do this matter at all? i assume that a finer setting makes the blades work a little bit harder, ensuring a better outcome as a result?
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so a word of warning, when adjusting finer, always do so with motor spinning on the DF83. I opened mine up today for 2 reasons.
1: to see how hard it is to remove the de clumper and
2: to see how much retention is in there.
To my surprise, i found a whole bean in there that was not ground. If you were to adjust to a finer grind, you would struggle to do so without the motor spinning.
On the plus side, there was nothing in the exit chute, so the plasma generator is doing as intended to fix the original issue with it
I noticed on my last 3 shots, 20 grams in and got 19.7 to 19.8 g out. Not as good as the P100 in that regard, or the Key grinder.
My other issue is, when dosing directly into the portafilter with the dosing funnel on top, and you then use the bellows to get every bit out, if you are too heavy handed with the bellows, you will blow some of that ground coffee out of the portafilter.
So so far its the messiest grinder i have ever used
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Can confirm. It takes a few pumps and you can feel the pressure, then a lump comes out and you can feel the change in the bellows (aka all clear), but by then you've blown a good lot of it all over the bench. I think it has more to do with how it piles up very high and then you are blowing straight onto it. (I am using a portafilter directly on the grinder via the rubber stabiliser grommet that comes with it)
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Not going to win prizes for retention but that was mentioned by Josh at AlternativeBrewing in his demo video. Will be interesting to do a side by side review with the Niche Duo when it arrives.
(for me, while its clearly preferable to have as little retention as possible, I'm ok to manage it by putting 3 beans through before I grind)
This photo taken after 1kg of grinding and very moderate use of bellows...
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Here you go JavaB similar I'd say. Not horrendous at all, just not a Niche Zero I guess.
I haven't done a lot in the way of comparative testing regarding retention between different grinders so very interested in anyones thoughts on anyone thoughts on the above in terms of whether this is whether this is acceptable or is or quite good or meh, not so great.
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tompoland
I guess that's one issue with flat burrs in a horizontal plane. Grinds have to make their way out of the burr with only the rotation of the burr to make them climb up the burr and exit. Gravity is trying to pull down the grinds and hold them there. I remember the DRM left lots of grinds in the burrs and even more in the doser.
With flat burrs in the vertical plane (like the Timemore) gravity is assisting the grains to full down and out of the chamber.
Conical burrs have a clear advantage here as the grinds have a clear path downwards out of the burrs with little room to hide.
A Niche Duo will never be anywhere near as good as a Niche One at low retention.... but as the taste profile is an issue....
The Duo130w motor is scary. The Timemore 64s has a 180W motor and that stalls unless you are running it at high speed.... so 130W and 83mm burrs doesn't compute.
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well, i think this may be the grinder ive kept for the shortest period of time.
Using it side by side with the P100, i just dont want t use it to be perfectly honest.
The P100 is so quiet and faster even at speed setting 3, and virtually 0 retention without having t use bellows or making mess everywhere, or enduring the noise and vibrations.
I'll do a few taste comparison tests tomorrow between all 3 grinders then put it on the market and patiently wait for my P64 with mizen burrs to arrive
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JavaB i actualy expect the P64 to be similar in performance (user wise) as the P100. In saying that, i mean, quiet, no weird vibrations, neat workflow, very little retention. Id also expect fit and finish to be on par with the P100
But of course i didnt expect the DF83 to be finished to the same high quality as the P100 or other high end grinders, and to be fair, i thought the finish was actually very good, just in operation is where i am let down.
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JohnA
I'm jealous as I'd dearly love to own a P100 or a Weber EG1 (or the like) but sadly my budget won't stretch to that.i have been spoilt
I'm using a LM GS3MP and I can just imagine if I tried to compare that to a Rancilio Silvia (a great machine I owned some years ago now) the result is predictable - but the GS is in a different league.
I have been VERY impressed by the Varia VS3 when it comes to quality of construction, noise level, workflow, zero retention and it produces a good cup as well!
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Make the a 2nd vote for the Varia VS3. I have been using one daily with the Hypernova Ultra burrs and just bought a second one to run some side by side comparisions with the Hypernova burrs. Don't think I'll notice a different. It's super great little grinder and the burr set really delivers flavor. I'm so impressed that if that God took all of my other grinders away tomorrow, I'd still be quite content with the Varia. It's a little surpise package.
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Sure, it aint' no P100 and the DF64 ain't no P64. Maybe put it alongside a $99 sunbeam ceramic?
I have only just seasoned mine.
I have concerns about the retention but it would be hasty to arrive at a conclusion on that given that I was chucking 4kg down it's throat almost continuously.
Other than that, I'm impressed enough to test it with various burr sets. A lot of people are pretty happy with the DF83 (pre AU/NZ versions) but that was at the price of around $1,000. The new price and the arrival of the Niche means it's comparitive value equation just changed almost overnight.
Jury is still out for me. i suspect that I'll keep it and use it as the basis for side by side burr comparisions with the Duo when it arrived.
In short, I'm still impressed enough with it and once I (finally) get around to pulling some shots with it (next weekend?), that will be the test.Comment
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And I get that. 100%. I had that with the Pharos which some people rave about. Horses for courses. That level of retention sounds about right. I guess if I am going to live with it, I would want to push three or four beans through first just to flush it out.
Then again, if it is say 0.3g retention, in an 18g grind that's only 1.67% of the total grinds. I wonder how much that would effect flavor? Probably not much but I guess I can try it out.
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thanks for sharing the updates and experiences guys. this is super interesting to see how they compare, given both your respective experiences with grinders at very different price points.Comment
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so today i did another little taste test, first one i did was with my wife, all 3 coffees were long blacks, she didnt know which grinder was used for each one.
Her preference were
1: P100
2: Key
3: DF83,
Stating DF83 had too much bitterness for her, P100 best flavour profile.
Today i used a single origin Nyagashia BURUNDI washed process
My thoughts,
P100 was a flavour explosion, but a little too bright for my liking (others may love this)
DF83, was a well balanced cup with good body
Key was also a great well balanced cup but a little thinner then the DF83
Of course i knew which grinder was used, and as much as i would have loved to say i preferred it a certain way, if i was given these 3 in a coffee shop
I would have taken either the Key or the DF83 as my preferred flavour profile.
As lattes though, depending on the bean i have been using, i prefer either the P100 or the Key
I have said this before, the DF83 is great value for money and for its price point is very hard to beat.
I had to do 2 doses on the DF83 as the first dose stole .4 but the second dose spat it out to give me 20.4 so just spooned out the .4 gram
all 3 used the same profile on the YOU
and all 3 were 20g in and 40g out in around 28-32 secondsComment
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