Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

[bolb]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

What a fantastic even looking roast, very very envious

[Gracey]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

The operative words here are definitely wonderful, fantastic, jealousy and envy.
I loved following your earlier road/roaster saga into the badlands of New Mexico? and back.
Bugger me, youve done it again  ;D

[madpierre06]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

Fantastic story Java. Just saw this thread tonight, amazing effort and a very nice pick up! Lovely little beast! And you know its gonna be fast, cos its a red one. 8-)

[Javaphile]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

I loved following your earlier road/roaster saga into the badlands of New Mexico? and back.

Glad you enjoyed the telling of the earlier journey to New Mexico and back for the Gothot. For a while there I thought Id have a similar road trip tale to tell for this roaster but alas it twas not to be.

Bugger me, youve done it again ;D

And theres more yet to tell! Ive been designing a ventilation system and madly hunting up parts for it now for nigh unto two weeks. Searching high and low for those central parts that needed to be just so for it all to work properly. Well at long last it seems everything is coming together and  all the gods must have sneezed at the same time as I finally found the one part that was central to the whole design, but which seemed impossible to find. The first pic is on its way to me as we speak and Ill be picking up a drum to go along with it on Monday. By the time the cyclone arrives on Wednesday I should have the barrel nice and shiny new looking (ready to be painted?). By the end of the week I should be done with the mating and mod process for these two parts and hence be able to get the measurements needed for the final assembly of the entire ventilation system.

More tales to tell but for the nonce I must be going.


Java "Telling the tale" phile

[Gracey]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

That looks like Java"little steel drummer boy"phile

[Javaphile]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

The cutest little cyclone just blew in my door today.



Its made from a pretty heavy gauge material so theres one more reason not to paint it. The only problem I can see with it is they used 10 pop rivets to join the top cylinder to the cone and they stick into the cyclone by 8mm or so. I dont know if this will be enough to interfere with the airflow enough to affect the separation process or not. My concern is that theyll cause enough turbulence to interfere with the laminar air flow down the surface of the cone. With-out which there wont be much separation going on. I guess well find out once its all assembled and running. :-/

I picked up the 30 gallon drum on Monday as planned, but it appears they gave me the incorrect measurements for it so Ill have to take the measurements myself and see how it fits into the floor plan. Additionally the lever ring has the lever pivoting inward across the top of the drum with a much longer lever than I had previously seen, not out and away from the drum. Apparently this is the U.N. standard now and the older style (outward opening lever) is no longer used. Again I may have to change my design or even go with a different unit if I cant open the lever with the cyclone bolted in place. Ill be taking some very careful measurements when I go to my brothers here tomorrow.

Originally I was going to bring the sandblaster back here but it turns out the engine on it is an oil bath style and so it has to stay upright. Which means I cant haul it in my car. So I left the drum at my brothers and will blast it there. The drum, lid, and band are in perfect shape and have no discernible smell of volatiles and so should be fine for indoor use. Especially after being blasted. Im still debating whether or not to paint the drum and cyclone and am now leaning towards not doing it.

Im still waiting on the arrival of additional venting parts so the system is far from completed, but things are moving along and if the weather for tomorrow is as predicted (and the current design is appropriate!) the barrel should be all nice and shiny bare metal by the end of the day. Sorry, but no pics of the drum yet. Youll have to wait until tomorrow for those! :


Java "Having a blast!" phile

[mrseca]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

"The MN State Fire Marshall division reminds you to keep things that can catch fire"

Advice noted. ;D

I would love to make a cyclone myself, but have no contacts with sheetmetal mobs.

Is looking like too much fun!!

Mrseca.

[Javaphile]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

"The MN State Fire Marshall division reminds you to keep things that can catch fire"

Advice noted. ;D

Looking back it appears I failed to give some of the details on the ventilation system in my posts in here. The primary reason I will be sandblasting the drum is to remove the paint that it comes from the factory with. The manufacturer could not give me any specs on the paint such as its flash/ignition point, they could only say that it can ignite (uuummm....DUH?!). Therefore off it must come! The type of paint I would be using if I do paint the cyclone and/or drum is an automotive engine/header high temp paint that is rated to 1,700F. No worries about ignition there! The other option I had looked at was a high temp ceramic dry powder coating like I had done on the Gothot. Given the much higher price of it though it is highly unlikely that I would go with that option.

With both the barrel and the cyclone made from heavy gauge steel I now see little need for painting/coating them. Simply stripping the barrel down to the bare metal should suffice.

It looks like the drum wont get blasted today as the clouds are now rolling in and threatening rain. Another day delay.


Java "Fun with metal!" phile

[phrostyboi]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

That roaster is so fricking cool Java, have been keeping an eye on its story and its really come up a treat

Puts my popper to shame, but its all in the name of fun either way

[Javaphile]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

I see this thread is badly in need of updating. (Forgive me snobs for I have sinned. It has been 3 months since my last update.) For many different reasons things have moved along on the roaster a lot slower than I had hoped, but at last everything is coming together. I was finally able to get the drum blasted and acquire all the other various parts I needed for the ventilation system. This included a 600F rated fan to provide the motive force to the chaff collection/exhaust system.

For the last week plus Ive been madly slaving away in the basement assembling all the various pieces of the system and integrating it with the house and the Gothot.

My apologies if the following seems a bit disjointed but far too much has happened for me to type it all in anew so Ill be cutting and pasting from a non-public thread about the project.

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Damn! Ball valve: 1 Java: 0

I was finally able to get my hands on an appropriately sized brass ball valve for use as the air flow regulator for the drum but when I went to open it up to remove the plastic bits it wouldnt open. Initially I tried just a couple of adjustable wrenches with no luck. So I locked it into my vise and broke out the large Monkey Wrench. Despite a good strain still nothing budged. So I broke out the BIG (~650mm) Monkey Wrench.

Now realize that this is my wrench of last resort. Used only when all else fails as invariably there will be damage to the part when it is applied. I have only had to use it a handful of times in my life and in half those cases the part that I was attempting to move ended up being destroyed when the pipe/shaft/rod gave before the threads did. I adjusted the big wrench on the valve and confidently laid into it knowing that this time there would be movement. As I hit about 3/4s of my strength I suddenly felt things starting to move.

YAY!

Oops.

There was movement alright. But not in the valve. Rather the entire valve moved as its body started to twist and warp and it popped out of the vise. So I tightened the already badly twisted end back into the vise and applied the wrench again. Arg! Same result! More twisting of the valve body with no movement of the two parts at all. They must use some seriously strong adhesive in these things!

So now the wrenches get put away and its surgery time. Tomorrow Ill cut one end of the valve off with my reciprocating saw. Hopefully they didnt use the same adhesive on the ball and its shaft as well because if they did its a lost cause. Hhhmmm......I think Ill try to get them apart before I cut the end off. No sense wasting time doing the cutting if I then cant get the ball out to remove the plastic bits!

I may end up having to go back to my original thought of using a manifold butterfly valve for for this.

On the roaster stand front things are just as frustrating as the wood was indeed filled with moisture and as its dried it has twisted and warped. Making the stand no longer square to itself or the floor. Ive loosened all the bolts and readjusted it as much as possible but there isnt enough play to bring everything back to square. As a result all the carefully measured and cut shelf, trim, and tile pieces are going to have to have some careful trimming/filing/sanding done to them so they will all fit. Gggggrrrrrr.......Another day or two of added work with the net result of a functional stand but one that will no longer be perfectly made. Hurumph! >

Now I know why serious woodworkers cure their own wood!  

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I finally got all the wood portion of the new roaster stand all done. Well as far as Im going to finish it for now anyways.  Im going to let it sit for at least 6 months before I do any thing else to the wood, such as staining it or tweaking (replacement?) of various pieces.

The first two pics show the new stand and its placement next to the Gothot (Rotated 90 degrees from its previous location and moved out from the wall by ~25cm.). To get an idea of the scale the pink thing on the top of the new stand is a 12 inch ruler.

I ended up having to trim a bunch of the edging pieces due to the whole assembly moving around so much as the wood dried. Im not really happy with how the pieces around the top shelf/platform currently fit as the whole unit has pulled itself out of square from the warping of the drying wood. Theyll work for their intended purpose (A safety rail to prevent the roaster from walking off the edge.) as will the other edging pieces on the 2 lower shelves. Ill re-evaluate them in 6 months or so and make a determination then as to what I want to do.

The third pic shows the rough placement of the chaff separator and collection drum. The cyclone is not yet attached to the drum as the exact placement of the drum and the cyclone on its lid wont be known until I can get the Primo on its new stand and actually install all the ventilation system components.

The cone/funnel looking thing sitting on the drum next to the cyclone is the custom adapter for the inlet side (2.25 inches) of the cyclone to connect it to the larger (4 inch) piping used in the rest of the system.

If you look between the joists above the window in the third pic youll see a while blob below and to the right of a straight sided white thing (power transformer for the doorbell). That is where the venting pipe will end up running too. The white blob is a bunch of plastic bags which are stuffed into the double walled, through wall vent.

There is still some snow on the ground here (We got our first significant snow fall {10cm} of the season here 2 days ago.) which will hopefully be gone by tomorrow afternoon. I have to do some careful trimming of the previously cut ceramic tiles that are going on the top and shelves as the twisting/warping of the wood drying out has made it so most of them no longer fit. Ggggrrrrrrr............ The tile saw is a wet saw which tends to spray water around when used so I really dont want to use it inside.

If Im lucky tomorrow will see the tiles all trimmed up and set into the stand. Then I can start fitting all the various components of the ventilation system together.

Ive decided that Im going to make all the outlets used by the various roasting devices/components switched. That way if something happens I can quickly kill the power to any or all of the devices from a distance. The plan at this point is to install 4 switches. One for the Primo which is on its own dedicated 20 amp circuit. One for the hardwired ventilation fan. One for the outlet the Micro drive that controls the Gothots motor. And one for the outlet that my Bean Bucket Cooler and swivel light (An old dentists light with its tinted glass removed and a daylight bulb installed.) are plugged into. These will be installed in a 4-gang box mounted to a joist in the ceiling near the bottom of the stairs.







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Yay! I was able to get the tile saw set up outside and all the tile pieces trimmed between the last of the previous snow melting off this morning and the moving in of new rain and then snow this evening. Yay!

The stand has now been exactly leveled and all the tile has been laid in place using a patch/leveler compound as the adhesive. Its really acting more as a leveler and supporter of the tile than as an adhesive. I figure odds are high that the tiles will be popped loose over the next few months anyways so no need to have them break when that happens. As they likely would using a real adhesive.

At this point the stand is as complete as it will be until next year after its completely dried out and stopped moving around. As there will very likely be a sizable amount of movement in the stand over the next month or two Im planning on leaving the floor levelers (pieces of aluminum stock and filed down pieces of printers furniture) loose from the legs. Once its all stopped moving around Ill make up some full size ones for each leg.

A couple of pics from different angles and then proof of levelness. The Bullseye level is sitting in the middle of one of the tiles on the top platform where the roaster will sit. The two tiles that make up that platform are both carefully adjusted so they are both in the same plane.

24 hours of drying time for the tiles cement and then I should be able to move the roaster over to its new home!

The Shelves are Tongue & Grooved 2x8s with everything else being straight 2x6s. The hardware is 5/8"x2.5" bolts (through board connections) or lag screws (connecting into the end of a board) with a 7/8" heavy washer under both the heads of the bolts/lag screws and under the nuts as well to prevent them from pulling through the wood. Holding the shelves and trim in place are torque bit 2.5" coated (for use in treated wood) deck screws. You could prolly put a car or two or three on top of the table with-out worrying about it collapsing. Have I said lately that I tend to over build? : 8-)








Java "Tired hands!" phile

[Javaphile]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

Had to give my hands a break today as they were muttering about all the work of late so I puttered around the house doing not much of anything and did a bit of reading. Then the bug bit again and it was back into the basement for some more work.

I thought Id give the hands light work so they didnt get too upset and dove into the electrical side of things. I ran the line for a new circuit that will power the Gothot as well as the bean cooler and Dentist light. I also started wiring in the 4-gang switch box. This box will have 3 different circuits running into it, 4 switches installed in it, and either 5 or 6 lines running out of it depending on whether I put in one or two unswitched outlets. I also ran the 4 switched lines from the 4-ganger and wired them into their switches. At 2am I decided to stop and leave the rest for tomorrow.

Wires wires everywhere and not a spark to be seen! :





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Ugh! Ill be SO happy when this is all done! Here it is, 6am and another night of work is done. Several more lines have been run into the 4-gang switch box. All the switched outlets have been wired into boxes and into the appropriate switch and the outlet boxes all mounted to joists. The (switched) line for the new exhaust motor/fan has been wired into its switch and run to where the fan will be, and an unswitched outlets line has been run.

Next up is to kill the power to an existing outlet so I can remove it and reroute the line into the switch box where it will power the new exhaust fan as well as an unswitched outlet. Which will be in a new location as the old one is in the way of the new fans installation. Part of moving the outlet will be to move 2 transformers as well which are wired into it. One powers the doorbell and the other powers the alarm system.

Once that is done then it will be time to mount the 4-gang box up in the joists and then go play in the main power panel and wire the new circuits into it. Seeing as the next part is playing with live power I decided it was time to stop for the night and deal with it after a good nights (days?) sleep.

After having dust falling into my eyes for days now as I work on the wiring Ive finally decided that yes, I will have to put up something as a ceiling over the roasting area. I was initially thinking firerock (fire retardant drywall) with a high temp automotive manifold paint on it. However, given how low the ceiling is Im thinking something like heavy aluminum sheeting would be more suitable. I cant think of anything else that would be appropriate and reasonably priced (Any suggestions?). I can get it in a 2 foot wide roll and then staple it to the joists.

I did try to get the post out of the ball valve today and it is secured just as solidly as the end cap is. It broke rather than come loose. So back to the drawing board I go.

I think I may just wait and hook the Primo up with-out any flow control device on the drum pipe/hose and just use the blast gates on the main exhaust line to regulate the air flow through the drum. I suspect that doing it that way will mean I wont be able to roast and cool at the same time. Which is fine for now. Until I figure out a flow control device for the drum side of things. If necessary Ill make an appropriately sized pipe to connect to the hose and install my own butterfly valve in it. I can live with-out simultaneous roasting and cooling for now while I design and make a valve. I just want to be able to use the Gothot and Primo to roast again!

Any hoot time for me to hit the hay so I can get up and dive back into the tangle of wiring formerly known as my basement! :

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YAY!!! All the electrical is DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WooHoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And all with-out a single shock! ;D

Man. Days and days of work on the electrical and now that its all done the area looks the same as it did before! Unless you look up and notice all the new outlets and 4-gang switch box mounted in the ceiling. :

Three new switched 20 amp outlets, 3 new 20 amp switches, one 15 amp outlet removed, 2 new 15 amp (unswitched) outlets, 1 new 15 amp switch, one new high temp fan, doorbell transformer moved and rewired, alarm system transformer moved and rewired, 2 new 20 amp circuits run, 1 existing 20 amp circuit rerouted, 1 existing 15 amp circuit rerouted, and roughly 80m of new romex run. Ufda!

Im gonna take a break here and get some food and liquid into me and then see about hanging the exhaust fan. Its all wired in but it has not yet been hung in place. The outlet that was removed was in the way of hanging the fan.

I powered the fan up to test the wiring of it and man does it suck some serious quantities of air!!! If I run it at full flow I will indeed need to put in a rather large fresh air intake somewhere in the basement. Otherwise it will with-out a doubt suck the exhaust gases from the furnace and hot water heater back into the basement from the chimney. Hrm, one more thing to add to the list of need to do things.

I figure Ill wait until the whole system is installed and running then Ill be able to see what kind of a draw it has in actual use. Given the short length of the system and the limited number of bends I dont expect a big drop in performance from the fan. The only real unknown is how much resistance the cyclone will have.

Hokay, time to fuel up so I can dive into the next part of the installation....the ventilation system!

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In the first pic is the new exhaust fan (stripped of all the fancy control and monitoring circuitry and devices) all mounted and connected to the double walled vent to the outside and with the elbow on the inlet side of it. Neither pipe is screwed into place yet. Im not going to do any permanent attachment of piping until everything has been mocked up and Ive verified that the entire system will fit as envisioned.

In the 2nd pic you can see the top of the cyclone with the elbow that will connect up to the exhaust fan.

The third pic is from a couple of steps up the stairs looking down in a general overview with the 4th one being from another angle.

The dentist light and everything else is where it will all be when everything is all finished. Assuming theres no problems that make themselves known anyways!










Java "Still more!" phile

[Javaphile]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

Pic 1 is of the 3 new 20 amp switched outlets with the fancy 2 cent strain relief on the cords. Retail ones are $20 each so I made my own. The nearest outlet is for the Primo, the next one is for the Gothot, and the furthest one is for the dentist light and the BBC (Bean Bucket Cooler). The BBC will in all likelihood be retired with the advent of the new ventilation system as soon as I get 2 new cooling trays for the Gothot made.

As a side note you can see the 1950s era armored conduit connected to the ceiling light in some of these pics. It is one of the few remaining lights/outlets that Ive not yet replaced with romex. I replaced the fixtures many years ago.

The 2nd pic is an overview of the back side of the roasters.

Pic 3 is a close up of the drum and cyclone along with the Y piping with blast gate and adapter for connecting it to the inlet side of the cyclone. The cyclone has not yet been attached to the drum as its position on the lid may need to be adjusted. The large access hole in the drums lid will stay where it is now as that will be the inspection hole as well as the hole the chaff can be vacuumed out of. Alleviating the need for removing the drum to empty it of chaff. Once all the ventilation components are in place access to the drum will only be possible from the right side of the Gothot. At least until I move (If and when!) the pile of stuff in the corner. While theres a few odds and ends in the pile 95+% of it is my ~5,000 book library (notice the metal shelves on top of it all) which is what until relatively recently occupied that entire end of the basement.

Pic 4 is another shot of the back of the roasters giving a better angle in the exhaust port of the Gothot. That elbow currently on the Gothot will most likely be coming off and Ill be cutting a short piece of straight pipe to put on there with the blast gate mounted to it and the elbow then mounted to the other side of the blast gate. If the elbow is put on first and then the blast gate attached to it it becomes very hard to reach and very dangerous to try to adjust it once the roaster is running and hot. Attached right at the outlet of the Gothot it is much easier to reach and can be adjusted much safer with the roaster running and hot.

The last pic shows the 4-gang switch box and some of the wiring running through the area. The switch box is over the walkway in front of the roasters. The round object on the far side of the 4-ganger is a smoke detector that I wired in some years back. I have several of them through-out the house and they are all inter-connected so if one goes off they all do. Hopefully with the new ventilation system I will no longer have to turn them off whenever I roast!

So close! Another day or two at the most (Hopefully!) should see it all done and ready for the first test roast! Assuming my body doesnt quit on me before then! It has certainly not been happy with what Ive been putting it through and it will be very glad when this project is all done and over with! Now if it will only hold out for a couple more days!











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With some careful positioning, measuring, and cutting (Helped along by more than a few &$*#! when things didnt cooperate in a timely manner.) the whole exhaust system fits together beautifully.

This is just the mock up still with temporary supporting straps to help hold it all together. No joints have been screwed or taped yet, nor has the cyclone been attached to the drum.

Yay! Almost there!!!

Im going to get a good night (Day?) of rest before I tackle the permanent installation. Perhaps that way I wont make any mistakes as I bind it all together. I also need to dream up a good placement/stand for the roasting computer as well.







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...you know how people type LOL but you know they didnt really laugh out loud... well I just did when I opened the above pics.

Too too funny. Its a total work of art but also teeters on the insane scientist camp too.

I love it! So much the little home roasting setup eh!

Hehehe...It does indeed have that look/feel about it doesnt it? My kid often claimed I was a Mad Scientist disguised as a Hippie! ;D

I made a run to the hardware store when I finally woke up this evening and got a bunch of 2x2s for framing in the piping in the ceiling as well as a 20" x 50 roll of aluminum for putting on the ceiling to alleviate the problem of dust falling into the roast/roaster. I also picked up a new jigsaw for $20 as my old one died after 25 years of use a couple years ago.

Speaking of Mad Scientist contraptions I also picked up some 1.5" iron pipe that Im going to use to make my air flow control valve for the drum on the Primo. I plan on cutting the pipe to an appropriate length and drilling a hole through both sides that a good sized bolt will fit through. Then Ill grind the middle section of the bolt flat on one side, drill one or two holes in it, tap them, and screw a disc of aluminum Ill cut to it. After inserting it into the pipe of course! Ill put 2 nuts on either side of the bolt to hold it in place in the pipe and on one side Ill put a piece of metal (exactly what is yet to be determined, maybe the handle from the brass valve) and that will be the lever that the choke cable will attach too that will allow me to open and close the homemade butterfly valve remotely. The choke cable that I have is 5 feet long so Ill probably have to trim it down some but that will be determined once its installed. Ive debated mounting the control handle in/to the Primo but Im leaning towards an external mount which will leave the Primo able to be returned to its original condition should I ever decide to sell it.

On tap for tonight is to give the ventilation system a good going over to make sure I didnt miss anything on it in my two days of working with no sleep stupor this morning and once Im sure its all good to mark where the drum lid needs to be cut for mounting the cyclone and then carefully disassemble the whole thing and carefully set it all off to the side and then start work on the new ceiling.

Once the ceiling is done then it will be time to cut/drill the holes in the drum lid for the cyclone, cut the gasket for between the lid and the cyclone, and then assemble them.

After that it will be time to make the air flow control valve for the Primos drum. This has to be done before the ventilation system can be installed. Then once its done and working to my satisfaction I can put the whole system together. At which point it should be ready for roasting! WooHoo!!!!!

Oh yeah, I still need to figure out where Im going to put/mount the roasting computer. This is one of the all-in-one old P3s that looks like just an LCD monitor but actually has a laptop motherboard mounted behind the LCD with a FDD on one side and a CDROM on the other side of the screen and all your ports built into the base. A nifty little unit. I use it to run my roasting database which I track all my beans and roasts with. The plan at this point is to mount it somewhere to the right of the Gothot. Exactly how/where has yet to be determined. :

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Well......I ended up putting in only a light work night tonight rearranging the venting a bit. As soon as I started using my hands for anything requiring any real strength they let me know they were not happy with me. They quickly let me know they were not about to put up with yet another night of work like the previous ones. Plus as soon as I started bending over at the odd angles required to rearrange the venting my back and legs joined in the chorus.

Given what my body was telling me I settled for just fine tuning the venting arrangement. I moved the Gothot further back on its table so in case I have to leave the cooling tray vents open on it the rods controlling them wont be sticking out into the walkway. Doing so gave a tighter fit for the exhaust venting connected to it but also required the cyclone to turn further which made the pipe further away from the Primo. I fixed that by adding another flex elbow to the Primos exhaust and everything now fits together much tighter than before.

In case yall were wondering what the adapter/reducer on the very end of the piping is for thats so I can hook a shop vac hose up to the exhaust system and use it as a giant vacuum cleaner for cleaning up the roasters/area after a session.

Heres some pictures of the new arrangement. Barring having overlooked anything this is the final position of everything. Nothing is yet screwed together but everything is now marked for ease of reassembly once the ceiling is done.







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And that brings us up to date!


Java "Time for sleeeeeeeeeep!" phile

[Ray_C]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

that is totally wicked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-)

[Javaphile]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

that is totally wicked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-)

Thanks! Im liking how its looking myself! Its finally all coming together nicely!


Java "Mad Scientists `R Us" phile

[redzone121]

Re: Javas new roaster and the refurbing thereof-Renamed from: Its just a little crate....or is it?!

I bow down to your superior "Royal Snob" statis 8-)

You rock Java and your work is eternal

Chris