Importing 1kg Roaster from China

[DrSmurto]

Have queried the manufacturer and changed sensor and other parts but to no avail. Others on here have had similar drop off on performance and no difference when sensor is changed. Basically got told if it can roast 200g there's nothing wrong with it. Its like saying if your car does only 80kph top speed then there's nothing wrong with it cause it still drives and by the way, it will do 100kph if you use 98 octane fuel, have a tail wind, 10deg C temp, 0% humidity and a mirror finished road.



Mine is only 10 months old. I think many would disagree with you that paying $400 for only 12 months use is acceptable as do I. The fact that it is now advertised with "up to 450g capacity under suitable conditions" says it all.

I still think you got a lemon. Mine managed another 400g this evening in the chilly Adelaide Hills and hit 2C without me adding extra time (P2, 1lb, C). P1 should in theory be faster so i have that up my sleeve.

If you cannot do what the Behmor claims to be able to do then you have a legitimate claim under warranty. I'd be pushing harder on that front. If your coffee machine had a drop in pressure would you accept that as normal? Pump stop working? Your behmor is not performing as it should. You have rights.

[Vinitasse]

[QUOTE=CafeLotta;505012]Have queried the manufacturer and changed sensor and other parts but to no avail. Others on here have had similar drop off on performance and no difference when sensor is changed. Basically got told if it can roast 200g there's nothing wrong with it. Its like saying if your car does only 80kph top speed then there's nothing wrong with it cause it still drives and by the way, it will do 100kph if you use 98 octane fuel, have a tail wind, 10deg C temp, 0% humidity and a mirror finished road.
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The website for the Aussie version of the Behmor still states the following: "Large Capacity - 100g - 450g per Batch"

There is a heap of difference between the stated 100-450g and the actual 100-200g you are seeing.

[sidewayss]

Beenbag, you should be confused.

What I am confused is you may be looking towards the Behmor.

What roaster do you have and how much roasting have you done?

If you have not done so, it would be a good idea to test the waters on a domestic or do it yourself roaster until you know the roasting process and the effect on the coffee bean.

Compared to the CCR-1 kg and the Toper at 4-5k each, the Behmor, Hottop, Genecafe, Baby Roaster and the do it yourselfer category like the coretto or the KKTO are lower risk ventures recommended for domestic applications.

If you find later down the track that roasting is not for you and you're not enjoying it, it's not a great loss.

[CafeLotta]

If your Behmor is going downhill why not query that with the manufacturer? Sounds more like an anomaly than the norm.

Have queried the manufacturer and changed sensor and other parts but to no avail. Others on here have had similar drop off on performance and no difference when sensor is changed. Basically got told if it can roast 200g there's nothing wrong with it. Its like saying if your car does only 80kph top speed then there's nothing wrong with it cause it still drives and by the way, it will do 100kph if you use 98 octane fuel, have a tail wind, 10deg C temp, 0% humidity and a mirror finished road.

Given it only has a 12 month warranty it has done exactly what is was designed to do.

Mine is only 10 months old. I think many would disagree with you that paying $400 for only 12 months use is acceptable as do I. The fact that it is now advertised with "up to 450g capacity under suitable conditions" says it all.

[ChaoYang]

Hi beenbag,

Indonesian roaster here, there's a local brand called the William Edison that retails for around $700~$4000 depending on size. Its a traditional roaster that's locally built and is gas-powered. I have no idea if it'll pass Australian checks though.

Comes with an app as well.

My own personal machine is a Proaster simply because its much easier to use, but it cost me around the $10000 mark to get everything in and set up for my 1 KG machine. Can't beat that 2~3 minute rest time between roasts though.

[beenbag]

Wow, thanks for all the info!

However, I'm more confused than when I began!

Interested to hear more on the toper for 5k landed etc.

Looking like Behmor is a good solution tho..

[DrSmurto]

[QUOTE=CafeLotta;504934]

The Behmor can roast 400g of green beans in 1 go.

On a $ per gram of green beans basis ($1/g based on a purchase price of ~$400 with the ability to roast 400g), it is very hard to beat for an off the shelf, purpose built solution./QUOTE]

Saying the Behmor will roast 400g in 1 go may be overstating its long term capabilities. I think quite a few people here have commented that 300-350g is a more realistic long term expectation. Mine happily did 450g for the first few months and now struggles to give good roasts even using lower weights using the longest program durations despite regular cleaning and no fires or smoke-outs. If you read the Behmor website it says it will roast up to 1lb (453.5g) under certain (ideal) conditions.

Could just be living up to its real heritage? Mine has Behmor on the front of it and a sticker on the back that reads "XIN BAO Model TO9500T". Split personality maybe?

I've been using the Behmor for over 12 months now and it hasn't skipped a beat. I roast between 300-400g regularly for my own use plus friends, family and work. Often 2-3 roasts in a row. Given it only has a 12 month warranty it has done exactly what is was designed to do.

If your Behmor is going downhill why not query that with the manufacturer? Sounds more like an anomaly than the norm.

[CafeLotta]

[QUOTE=DrSmurto;504798]The Behmor can roast 400g of green beans in 1 go.

On a $ per gram of green beans basis ($1/g based on a purchase price of ~$400 with the ability to roast 400g), it is very hard to beat for an off the shelf, purpose built solution./QUOTE]

Saying the Behmor will roast 400g in 1 go may be overstating its long term capabilities. I think quite a few people here have commented that 300-350g is a more realistic long term expectation. Mine happily did 450g for the first few months and now struggles to give good roasts even using lower weights using the longest program durations despite regular cleaning and no fires or smoke-outs. If you read the Behmor website it says it will roast up to 1lb (453.5g) under certain (ideal) conditions.

Could just be living up to its real heritage? Mine has Behmor on the front of it and a sticker on the back that reads "XIN BAO Model TO9500T". Split personality maybe?

[TC]

If its a gas and electrical appliance, I'd be weary that's for sure.

Should it go pop and after a long hospital stay, I'm sure that it would be an understatement to suggest that you'd be weary!

[DrSmurto]

The Behmor can roast 400g of green beans in 1 go.

On a $ per gram of green beans basis ($1/g based on a purchase price of ~$400 with the ability to roast 400g), it is very hard to beat for an off the shelf, purpose built solution.

[neofelis]

You can run through as many Australian standards as you want. The bottom line is, 99% of products which come out of china won't meet the Australian standards and if you tried to get a compliance check it would fail.

Does this mean the product is bad? Yes and No. I wouldnt be reselling them that's for sure. Would I use one for personal use? Yes, but I'd take extreme caution. What Australian standards are and Chinese/European standards are, are two totally different things.

Save your money and don't even worry about the compliance check because they WILL find many things wrong with them. It may even be as something simple as a bad PCB board lay-out which is deemed unsafe.

Also unless someone is injured you don't have a law suite against the company. If someone is injured you can take them to the bank.

If its a gas and electrical appliance, I'd be weary that's for sure.

Here are just some of the compliances which china forge: CSA,CE, RoHS,C-tick SAA

[Dragunov21]

Under section 18 of the Electrical Safety Act 2002 (the Act), electrical work includes “the manufacturing, constructing, installing, testing, maintaining, repairing, altering, removing, or replacing of electrical equipment”.
This covers tasks such as installing a new power point, replacing a light switch, replacing a batten holder with a new light fitting, repairing an appliance such as a heater, altering the location of an existing power point, replacing a light fitting with a ceiling fan, or constructing an extension lead and replacing a plug on the end of a lead.

Looks as though it may be legal in SA...

http://www.safework.sa.gov.au/conten...delinespdf.pdf

http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/...1995.25.UN.PDF (see definition of electrical work and electrical installation)

[Vinitasse]

It's pretty obvious logic really... standards must exist... and hopefully be followed... otherwise pretty much anyone and everyone could import whatever they wanted to and then plug it in and hope for the best. Australia's native 240v grid ain't exactly a global standard and compliancing is necessary to make certain things work right and that people don't end up frying and dying.

[Dragunov21]

According to Standards Australia:

If you purchase electrical equipment from overseas you will be classified as the equipment importer and have the added obligation of ensuring the equipment is designed, examined and tested to be electrically safe. This testing includes materials flammability and strength, high voltage, product ageing, high current, over current, product marking and dimensional requirement tests.

That looks as though it might be directed at contractors rather than private importers... I'll do some digging tomorrow.

[Lasanmarcomelb]

Well, that's the last time I take a plug off a grinder to fit it through a hole in a bench. Thanks for the info