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Hi guys - Jonas here. Just wanted to clear up a few things.
I have not read through all the posts, but I see some confusion here.
First of all, there is a pretty good article out from Taylor that basically describes what we had to go through for the certification.
You can read it from the link below. (its quite long)
https://medium.com/@aillio/the-beati...1-82432c2be695
UL is both a company, but also a standard used in the US and Canada.
Our first attempt at certification was done with them (the company).
The certifications we need are IEC CB, which is a standard followed by most countries.
CB can be used to apply for CE as well.
Each country has national deviations, so from the beginning we have to choose which countries we want to have CB for. Obviously, each country adds an additional cost. We are applying for Australia, Korea, Japan for round one + obviously CE for Europe.
As it turns out there are some certification labs that are experts in CB, but also able to do UL, and some UL labs can do CB. Problem is that UL turned out not to be very efficient at working out what was needed for CB - which set us back a long time.
We have now appointed TUV for our certification, and we are very well aware about what is needed to comply, though as always there might be a thing or two that we didn't know.
People seem to think that its just about contacting a lab and sending over a few Bullets - 2 month later voila - certified. This could not be further from the truth.
Each high voltage component needs it own document from the specific vendor. A transformer which is used in the flyback converter on the PCB needs 4 different documents. The bobin supplier needs to have the material used certified. The wires inside the transformer needs certification for the isolating coating. The tape inside needs it's doc, and the factory winding the transformer also needs to meet certain standards. This is just 1 part out of almost 200 on the power PCB.
Sometimes the vendor - even huge corporations -- provides wrong docs, which means certification stops. The PCB needs its own certifications and tests... I think you get the picture, and this is ONLY documentation and only for one part of the machine. After this comes all the lab tests to make sure everything is safe to use, which I don't want to get into because I could write 10 pages about this.
The power supply is rated at maximum 265V, but would handle up to 283V without any problems. We have tested all the safety systems up to 255V. All this means that we can rate the board at 220V to 240V which gives us almost every country in the world.
Besides having an expert in CB on board, we have hired one additional electronics engineer with over 20 years experience - just to handle this.
We are of course super frustrated that its so complicated, and it doesn't help that the labs in the beginning spent 6 months just to find out which standards to follow and kept changing their mind.
The positive side of the story is that the roaster is now better than ever.
Hope this helps.
JonasComment
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Thanks for the explanation, but what is the status now? I think most people just want to know when it will happen.Comment
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Hi Jonas
Any updates for Australia since your last message in Feb?
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Found this on the Coffee Parts website:
"As of 1st May 2019 the Bullet R1v2 is in the final process of CB certification between Aillio and TUV (the accreditation body) and now a very different model to what has been currently available worldwide to date. Very soon Australia will be the chosen launch pad for the new Bullet R1v2 with the new electronics and IR sensor. However, Australia has very strict criteria for CB Certification as it also falls under Domestic 240v /10amp electrical household products. The process has also led to the refinement of a number of additional features that has even further enhanced the Bullet R1v2.
Currently all finalized features for the Bullet R1v2 are now lodged with TUV for CB evaluation and subsequent CB certification. We will of course continue to update you with the progress and milestones as they become available. As well as the physical roaster there have been continued upgrades to the software that comes complimentary with the roaster."
Seems like my 3 years + of waiting is nearly over!Comment
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So.....
Back in February some of us may of got an email saying it was only a few weeks away, It's now August. I decided to wait as was hesitant to put another deposit down again. But theres been no update since May?Comment
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Certification. Pretty much the only current kicker is that "the door of the roaster might get hot"...
Seems the authorities are freaked by a roaster and then doubly freaked by an induction roaster.
A solution would be to sell it as a commercial roaster. It then becomes a "non-prescribed" appliance where importer and vendor need to satisfy themselves that it's electrically safe.Comment
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I thought I would get to the end of this thread and be closer to understanding the date for availability but no one seems to be the wiser. I came looking because I saw there was an event in Melbourne where they were doing a hands on demo on the unit. I was hoping that meant they were available but maybe they were just using a non Australian compliant version for the workshop. One day.. one dayComment
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Aillio provided an update last week which was republished by CS sponsor and Australian importer: Espresso Company Australia.
They're in the home straight and estimate they will have CE and CB certification in October.
Updated: Aillio have now provided a link to the post: https://medium.com/@aillio/certifica...6-dc6994e5cf08Comment
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ECA said November at the earliest for CB certification in a Facebook post on their page about an hour ago (from when this was posted). They will advise the mailing list once it achieves certification. If delivery drags out to late March 2020, I'll have been waiting 4 yours for mine.Comment
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Yep makes sense. Initial stock needs time to fly, arrive, clear customs and then be checked, bench-tested and shipped to resellers.Originally posted by Ash View PostComment
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I could be a happy chappy come Christmas time, or I could still be waiting in March, celebrating 4 years since I placed and payed for one. Time will tell, I just hope they don't run into to many more issues with the certification processComment
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While this is turning into the neverending story, I was interested if any members actually have this roaster. Any reviews are welcome.
And yes I know it has not been certified for sale in Australia, but that is simply a process of having certain components pass tests. The unit can be bought overseas, and it seems there are many happy home roasters out there.
A good friend is currently living and working overseas and is looking at buying the unit. It can be used where he is, and he has every intention of bringing it home when his contract is up. I am doing some research for him to help him bite the bullet and order one.
Any user experiences are welcome.Comment
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Yep- there are a few around and they are excellent. V2 is a big upgrade.
As for certification, you'd wonder whether a bag of cash under the table was required?
Amongst other things, and from the mouth of Jonas, the certifying authority was concerned that "....the door will get hot"... and that "...it's too good looking. That might encourage children to play with it"...
I was heard to mutter "FFS!" under my breath. This environment of overregulation at times sh!ts me to tears.
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