Aillio R1 Bullet

[flynnaus]

As for certification, you'd wonder whether a bag of cash under the table was required?

Amongst other things, and from the mouth of Jonas, the certifying authority was concerned that "....the door will get hot"... and that "...it's too good looking. That might encourage children to play with it"...

I was heard to mutter "FFS!" under my breath. This environment of overregulation at times sh!ts me to tears.

We might see a Oz certified Aillio Bullet on our shores within my lifetime but I also wonder it it is driving up the price. I suspect it is already approaching unaffordable territory for many of us. Oh well, my KKTO is almost 10 years old now and still delivering and I still have a Behmor and a corretto for backup.

In the meantime, while certification can be a pain we have to be grateful that someone is trying to maintain standards
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/pro...ing/electrical
That said, some users still need warnings about the bleeding obvious. The door of a coffee roaster might get hot? Who would have thought but we know someone is not going to take anyone's word and try it for themselves (the old 'wet paint' syndrome)

[Caffeinator]

That said, some users still need warnings about the bleeding obvious. The door of a coffee roaster might get hot? Who would have thought but we know someone is not going to take anyone's word and try it for themselves (the old 'wet paint' syndrome)

I'm astonished that anyone in Australia is permitted to use a toaster!

[Caffeinator]

Just in from Charles Stephens: CEO of Site sponsor Espresso Company Australia who are the appointed local importer.

Hi Everyone,

Most of you patient people should already be on the direct Aillio newsletter database from them anyway, if not, please sign up on the below link for their ever increasing timely updates and communications.

We recently attended the Taiwan International Coffee Expo too which was a great experience to see another local region’s coffee culture also.

We spent good time talking and roasting with the Aillio Team on their stand at the show and also at their new office space consisting of an entire floor up high with 270 degree views of the local Taipei CBD. Good creative space to help finalise CB certification for the Australian and all other 220 / 240 Volt - 50/60 Hertz markets.

As the boys have mentioned in the Certification content below we saw the final Induction PCB that will this week be submitted to TUV (the international certifying agency) who will grant CB for Australia, New Zealand, Korea, Taiwan, Japan, etc …… in fact for all countries who are not 110 Volt.

So a mention from us in conjunction with the update from Aillio below is that we had a fun but more importantly an encouraging few days with Aillio and to physically see where they are up to with the entire project in general.
In fact it was Jonas himself who said that “in a strange way, the process of CB, has been the best thing for Aillio to work through as it has created a superior and more intelligent machine in every way”

With the final Induction PCB now in their hands sporting the final requested change from TUV, there are only a couple of simple amendments to achieve for CB safety standards which are already in a 3D Printed prototype stage and will be fitted to the three complete Bullet R1v2’s and finally submitted.

As always we will communicate the next announcements as soon as they come through, we are very excited that we are now so close to being able to provide the Aillio Bullet R1v2 to Australia.

[Bosco_Lever]

Good news.
Any current owner of this roaster can easily swap out their existing PCB for the "new" updated, super duper certified one in the future.
The unit will still continue roasting regardles.......

[celph]

So what's the deal with the bullet these days?

[Ash]

Stuck in certification hell I believe. And I'm guessing that the process would have fallen victim to the current pandemic issues as well. But apparently good progress has been made. Wait and see I guess.

[brettreaby]

To anyone considering the Bullet I would say this. They have been faffing about for years. And on past promises and performance....

When i looked at a roaster in 2016 I thought the Bullet would be awesome.

However, I decided to go with a conventional gas roaster and imported a 1kg unit which has been simply amazing and i have done maybe 400 roasts since. And no maintenance issues either . If I had waited on Bullet i would still be messing with my Behmor which is a toy compared to a proper roaster.

So if you are keen to get to the next level - just do it!

[Caffeinator]

I'd agree. Electrical compliance for the Bullet has been a major issue whilst it appears not to have been an issue elsewhere in the world. Australia and NZ lag. Maybe this is because ECA insist on selling compliant product. Perhaps other importers elsewhere neither know nor care.

The problem with import of a 1kg gas roaster is that it wont have AGA approval and unless you want to be potentially uninsured should the shed/garage/house catch fire when you use it, you need to get that done. Add the cost of those works and proper, professional Type B installation and they will eat up the cost of a Bullet alone after you purchase and then land your import.

I have seen gas bottles connected to roasters in rumpus rooms (and worse) with very little thought to ventilation, CO or safety. It all depends on how dodgy you're prepared to risk it with. No doubt that "things are fine!", until the day that they're not and your home is ash and/or you're resident in a box.

[Ash]

I'd agree. Electrical compliance for the Bullet has been a major issue whilst it appears not to have been an issue elsewhere in the world. Australia and NZ lag. Maybe this is because ECA insist on selling compliant product. Perhaps other importers elsewhere neither know nor care.

I think this is more to do with different countries regulations or certification standards for Home Appliances, or a personal willingness to use an uncertified home appliance. Europe, Japan, New Zealand and Australia (and quite possibly many other countries) are all much much stricter with certification than somewhere like the USA. There are bucket loads of these roasters in the US and Canada, but only a small number of private imports in the EU, Australia and a few other countries. The Bullet is being certified against Home Appliance standards, not Power Tool standards, and my understanding is that Home Appliance standards are much tighter than that for Power Tools. Aillio have made a comment in previous newsletters that if they were to use the Power Tool certification standard, it would more than likely already be on the shelves here. But they see it as a Home Appliance and are in the process of getting that certification.

In the mean time, the early adopters and the current users in North America have, in a way, acted as a large group of product testers for the item that will eventually land here in Australia. There have been significant improvements on the original model and continuous improvement in the accompanying software.

I've been waiting for four years now and will continue to wait longer, as I have a fully paid pre-order on one (with a guarantee that I will not pay extra if the retail cost is more than what I paid!) and this particular unit will suit my needs. I can't afford to have a gas roaster of a similar capacity due to my job moving me every 2-3 years. Having a product that I can plug into any wall socket in and around the house, and is highly transportable, is what I need. In the mean time I will keep on roasting on the old Hottop and enjoy my coffee.

[StanWang]

Just a stupid question. It seems the wait is indefinite..

Can I possibly buy a Bullet from another country and then ship it to Australia using something like Fedex??

[Mingus]

To anyone considering the Bullet I would say this. They have been faffing about for years. And on past promises and performance....

When i looked at a roaster in 2016 I thought the Bullet would be awesome.

However, I decided to go with a conventional gas roaster and imported a 1kg unit which has been simply amazing and i have done maybe 400 roasts since. And no maintenance issues either . If I had waited on Bullet i would still be messing with my Behmor which is a toy compared to a proper roaster.

So if you are keen to get to the next level - just do it!

Hey Brett,

I assume this is gas powered?

Where did you get it from and what sort of cost?

I've seen some on AliExpress but not too confident. I think the best value are from Taiwan.

[brettreaby]

Hey Brett,

I assume this is gas powered?

Where did you get it from and what sort of cost?

I've seen some on AliExpress but not too confident. I think the best value are from Taiwan.

Yes Mingus, it is gas powered , like a bbq.
I found mine on ebay, but it doesnt seem to be listed any longer.
a general search on google there is a 3kg electric roaster in Vic for 8k. i paid 5k 4 years ago for 1kg so this looks a decent option.
if the ailio costs say 4k i reckon this would still be a better bet, the induction electronics has got to be complicated!

Further to my post in April, if Aillio were in anyway fair dinkum, they would have responded to my post and given a decent update.

[Ash]

Aillio have announced that they have completed and passed all CB/CE testing/certification on the R1 😀

[Ash]

From the latest Aillio newsletter:

The big news at Aillio last week was certification. As of last Wednesday afternoon, we have passed all the tests required for CB/CE certification of the V2-220V (200V-240V) model. For some of you, this doesn’t mean anything. But for those of you in markets requiring certification, it means you’ll be able to purchase a Bullet for the first time. It’s a big deal.

We’ve written numerous times about the process of certification – the obsessive attention to detail and maddening opacity of it. Needless to say we’re ecstatic about putting it all behind us. But it will still be some time before you’ll see Bullets peppering the coffee scene in Melbourne, Tokyo, and Seoul. There remains a significant amount of paperwork and PCB manufacturing/assembly to do before we can begin ramping up production of these newly certified Bullets.

Still, we hope Santa will be able leave something special under your tree this year. Hope you haven't been too naughty...

[flynnaus]

Still, we hope Santa will be able leave something special under your tree this year. Hope you haven't been too naughty...

I think I can speak for a majority of prospective Bullet buyers to say we'll believe it when we see it on the shelf here.