My behmor arrived - but watch out for that warning sticker

[MrFreddofrog]

Haha, that water filter was definitely a rant! No probs all. I believe in freedom of speech so extremely happy to have anyone have a go at me. Just be civil about it and if I'm wrong I'm more that willing to apologize.

Wrt to the Behmor the main problem thus thus far is the user interface rather than it's capability. The front panel sucks and I have told them so directly. I have also given them an alternative layout. (Come to me with solutions not problems philosophy). My design is a lot more intuitive, no more multipurose buttons, you don't need manual to know their function or have to memorise them cause it is obvious that they do. My design has passed though held desk and been forwarded onto the powers that be. (Edit: Have a look at the attachment and see which is more intuitive.)

They may take on some of my suggestions or they may not. TBH it doesn't bother me, at least I've given them some constructive feedback and tried to help them.

With respect to the units capability, that is my issue not theirs. I know the unit is capable, I just need to learn how to use it hence my questions around how to control rate or rise.

Edit: btw, the issue with my loose cooling flap was a missing C clip.

[Javaphile]

Changing the panel means rewriting the software and a recertification of the roaster. i.e. Lots more time and dollars, both of which will be reflected in a higher price to the buyers. Then of course there's the whole issue of a redesign already coming down the pike.


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[MrFreddofrog]

True but not withstanding your very valid cost concerns, do you think my idea has validity?

If not then so be it. If so, then that at least opens the door for change.

All I really hope to achieve is for Behmor to realise what a crap panel they have. Realising that is the first step. That then puts them in a better position to challenge the "that's the way we have always done it" mindset.

[kyeba]

Their panel is simplicity and achieves the same as your design. But I'd assume the manual would highlight the lowest to hottest temp for each setting, so you'd only need to look at that once or twice to get it.

Do you redesign every appliance you buy? There's nothing wrong with being creative, but they are what they are, or else they wouldn't do well.

[Javaphile]

It pays to read an entire post rather than just the first sentence. If you had and bothered to do a bit of research instead of simply continuing to rail you would have realized there are already big changes in the works for the panel/control of the roaster and not bothered with your last post which does little other than to show you haven't researched the very changes you say you want, even after you were pointed in that direction.


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[sprezzatura]

I'm still worried about dropping my snarkphone with Behmor apps into the toilet prior to brewing a Brazen batch (in the future).

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I'm still worried about dropping my snarkphone with Behmor apps into the toilet prior to brewing a Brazen batch (in the future).

You'll just have to go hunting for it then.

[sprezzatura]

I can't wait to initiate a brew sitting on the throne: how cool would that be? Professional baristas eat your hearts out [emoji14]

[Dimal]

I can't wait to initiate a brew sitting on the throne: how cool would that be? Professional baristas eat your hearts out [emoji14]

Haha...

Cool is not the first word that comes to mind...

Mal.

[Andy]

I can't wait to initiate a brew sitting on the throne: how cool would that be? Professional baristas eat your hearts out [emoji14]

Interesting idea.

Early connected roaster prototypes had a (required) "perimeter fence" on them, so if you walked away it would stop. Not sure if that will be on the brewer when it goes to market. These sorts of "safety features" are dictated by the certification bodies and have little to do with the factory or the owner.

[MrFreddofrog]

Their panel is simplicity and achieves the same as your design.

Oh so so not true. Tell me, which button do you press to get the exhaust temp, wall temp etc? You'd have no idea unless you read the manual. My design is much much more intuitive.

[MrFreddofrog]

It pays to read an entire post rather than just the first sentence. If you had and bothered to do a bit of research instead of simply continuing to rail you would have realized there are already big changes in the works for the panel/control of the roaster and not bothered with your last post which does little other than to show you haven't researched the very changes you say you want, even after you were pointed in that direction.

My bad. While I have been reading the entire post, you'll have to highlight the bit where I was pointed in the right direction cause I obviously missed it.

And it's good to know I'm on the right track if the very changes I want are already in the works.

[kyeba]

You'd have no idea unless you read the manual

yes that's the point of a manual, or else they wouldn't be included

[Andy]

My design is much much more intuitive.

Intuitive to someone who wants to fiddle, scary for someone who just wants to use auto-profiles and roast coffee with 3 button presses.

The important bit you missed was the additional cost. Would you pay 20% more for that panel and wait 2 years for the certifications?

I can tell you that the idea of a different panel was kicked around and excessive costs and the huge time lag to get it to market stopped it in its tracks. Simple multi function buttons are easy to learn, there is a clue with coloured rings to what heat they are (0, 25, 50, 100 percent red ring) and the buttons that have a second function also have a ring.

Even that was designed differently but got rejected by the certification bodies as too much for an incremental change and would have required a re-certification.

My kids have roasted (very successfully) on the Behmor Plus since they were 8 years old... I'm sure as a "big person" you will get used to it pretty quickly too.

[Javaphile]

My bad. While I have been reading the entire post, you'll have to highlight the bit where I was pointed in the right direction cause I obviously missed it.

And it's good to know I'm on the right track if the very changes I want are already in the works.

The 'directions' are right in front of your eyes both in mine and others posts. Use that intuition you're going on about. After-all I wouldn't want to have to write a manual that you would have to read!

And no, you're NOT on the right track for the changes you want being in the works.


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