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[Andy]

...yet still never wrong...
**sigh**

I have never been against computer control and built the world's first computer controlled Behmor which helped me understand the difference between roasting with science and understanding the sensory aspects. While you only control heat, mine did control all the fans, heat, afterburner and even the light which is why I said "tweak one aspect without regard for the rest then you might be a long way from optimal results". I have attempted to share some of those findings with others but some people just can't seem to hear for their own regurgitated noise.

As I told you previously and have posted in many other threads, the kids used a manual override at 1st crack. Using a built-in Behmor program up to first crack is more like "known manual" as opposed to computer controlled as the roaster takes very little feedback and blindly does what it does for that given program. When they heard the first crack (a known and consistent internal bean temperature) they lowered the heat to 25% and hit cool prior to second crack. Simple, repeatable and most importantly it tastes great.


You regularly misquote and rarely let the actual facts get in the way of a story. It was much nicer during your recent hiatus and we had far fewer posts littered with misinformation.

Enjoy your magic exhaust roaster and I hope the coffee from it is great.

[LeroyC]

...yet still never wrong...
**sigh**

I have never been against computer control and built the world's first computer controlled Behmor which helped me understand the difference between roasting with science and understanding the sensory aspects. While you only control heat, mine did control all the fans, heat, afterburner and even the light which is why I said "tweak one aspect without regard for the rest then you might be a long way from optimal results". I have attempted to share some of those findings with others but some people just can't seem to hear for their own regurgitated noise.

As I told you previously and have posted in many other threads, the kids used a manual override at 1st crack. Using a built-in Behmor program up to first crack is more like "known manual" as opposed to computer controlled as the roaster takes very little feedback and blindly does what it does for that given program. When they heard the first crack (a known and consistent internal bean temperature) they lowered the heat to 25% and hit cool prior to second crack. Simple, repeatable and most importantly it tastes great.


You regularly misquote and rarely let the actual facts get in the way of a story. It was much nicer during your recent hiatus and we had far fewer posts littered with misinformation.

Enjoy your magic exhaust roaster and I hope the coffee from it is great.

Andy I'm really not sure how you think helping to design the Behmor puts you in a position to comment on how it works and make recommendations on how to operate it.

......wait a minute......

.......hmmmm......

Whatever the case I value FF's contributions and I can't wait for him to buy a DE1+ then modify it extensively and tell John and Scott Rao that they're wrong about how it operates. [emoji23]

[Andy]

Sorry in advance to John and Scott.

[MrFreddofrog]

Maybe that why we disagree so much. You think you are presenting the "facts" but I see it as anecdotal evidence. As such I continue to press to get "hard facts" which you perceive as me being arrogant and not listening to you. (Then I finally give up and just ask Tech Support.)

Mind you it was you who brought up the computer thing. I actively avoid discussing it when you're around as I know how it presses all your buttons. I should have ignored it when you brought it up again, my bad.

And this is a public forum. You should be encouraging robust discussions. If I don't understand something or disagree, I'll say so. There's already enough "Yes men" here, you don't need more.

Yes the coffee is good. I am slowly moving towards a commercial roaster so all the things you mentioned about air flow, gas pressure etc I'll have to learn. Oh the joys of roasting

[LeroyC]

Maybe that why we disagree so much. You think you are presenting the "facts" but I see it as anecdotal evidence. As such I continue to press to get "hard facts" which you perceive as me being arrogant and not listening to you. (Then I finally give up and just ask Tech Support.)

Mind you it was you who brought up the computer thing. I actively avoid discussing it when you're around as I know how it presses all your buttons. I should have ignored it when you brought it up again, my bad.

And this is a public forum. You should be encouraging robust discussions. If I don't understand something or disagree, I'll say so. There's already enough "Yes men" here, you don't need more.

Yes the coffee is good. I am slowly moving towards a commercial roaster so all the things you mentioned about air flow, gas pressure etc I'll have to learn. Oh the joys of roasting

Are you for real?

[Andy]

This site exists to share, teach, learn and encourage but you came here as an arrogant and argumentative tosser and time has changed nothing. I would be fibbing if I denied that I've hovered over your "delete user" button many, many times. Life is too short to spend it on people with their fingers in their ears saying "la la la".

Have a lovely life.

[Yelta]

I am slowly moving towards a commercial roaster so all the things you mentioned about air flow, gas pressure etc I'll have to learn. Oh the joys of roasting

Crikey FF, basic physics and life experience covers most of what you need to know.

"And this is a public forum. You should be encouraging robust discussions." I agree, however pointless banter about misconceptions is of no value whatsoever.

[LFM60]

Good grief!!! I've got a headache after reading that lot.

Easy solution.........buy beans from Bean Bay.
Delivered to the door, just grind and make coffee.