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  • #61
    Ok. I'll bite...

    Originally posted by lancruiser View Post

    A commendable sentiment but have you ever wonder why

    1. Espresso machines of the same model sell at the same price by all Australian retailer, Because the margins are fair and there is nothing gained by cutting the throat of another?
    2. Kaffelogic roast have the same price on all Australian retailers, Because the margins are fair and there is nothing gained by cutting the throat of another? The problem lies with the wholesaler clearly charging well above odds for AUD wholesale. This is not in the interests of the manufacturer as it encourages grey imports and the resultant support issues experienced by some here.
    3. Montblanc products are never discounted in Australia because once a retailer discount products, they are off the authorised retailer list, Because the margins are ridiculous and you had it coming if you were prepared to spend $1k on a sexy $5 biro??
    4. Andy can't sell Aeropress (https://coffeesnobs.com.au/forum/equ...eropress-sucks)? Because if you sell something at wholesale price, it's not fair on those who want only a fair margin for stocking and selling them? It alienates other retailers. If the importer wants them sold at wholesale, he should then cut out the retailer and stuff the satchels himself.
    The system is broken for us in Australia. Yeah nar. Others might suggest that everyone wants maximum wage for minimum work and minimum spend. Is it only a fair purchase when you screw the retailer into oblivion or send him/her broke so you get no support if you need it?

    Way too many commentators on the boundary but not actually in the match and with little concept of the reality of trying to earn a fair living in retail business.

    The reality is that Andy doesn't drive a Ferrari or live in a harbour view mansion and I'm guessing none of the sponsors do either. They're trying to live, support their families and to pay their bills and plenty of them are doing way more than the regulation office dweller 37.5.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Caffeinator View Post
      Ok. I'll bite...
      Way too many commentators on the boundary but not actually in the match and with little concept of the reality of trying to earn a fair living in retail business.

      The reality is that Andy doesn't drive a Ferrari or live in a harbour view mansion and I'm guessing none of the sponsors do either. They're trying to live, support their families and to pay their bills and plenty of them are doing way more than the regulation office dweller 37.5.
      Err... I think you missed the point. It's not about the retailer.

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      • Caffeinator
        Caffeinator commented
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        No. Actually, I think you missed the point:

        Is it only a fair purchase when you screw the retailer into oblivion or send him/her broke so you get no support if you need it? Is it only then that's it's a fair deal??

      • lancruiser
        lancruiser commented
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        Caffeinator, I suggest you re-read the thread. The comment is about the wholesaler. I will say no more.

        For your information, I purchased my roster from a local retailer and I like dealing with him.
        Last edited by lancruiser; 27 June 2020, 06:20 PM.

    • #63
      Hi Guys, there’s been some changes over here in NZ so now can’t ship Kaffelogic roasters to Australia.

      please contact your local agent
      thanks Jason.

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      • Caffeinator
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        Those changes apparently occurred quite some time ago but were ignored...

        If/when something goes wrong Jason, how is warranty handled? Given that end users who are not suitably qualified are not supposed to tinker with electrics:

        1. Are you expecting the manufacturer to sort any warranty issues for you at their expense?
        2. Do you expect the sole Australian distributor (whose lunch you have happily cut) to handle your warranty claims for you?
        3. Have you not bothered considering that and will you just be leaving it to the purchasers to solve any problems which might arise at their own expense?
        4. Are you providing an international warranty at your own expense?

    • #64
      Some photos from roasting the Nicaraguan Maragogype using a custom profile '900-1200 RTD' for 'ready to drink' today.

      I pulled a shot within minutes of roasting, and I changed my life about having to rest the beans for 5-7 days.












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      • ElShauno
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        Yes, I only use RTD profiles now. Bloody amazing! PS - great pour!

    • #65
      Covallat are you happy with the kaffelogic roaster?
      I'm looking at getting a roaster if anyone that has bought a kaffelogic roaster if they can give there opinions about it would be much appreciated as it will be my first roaster.

      Cheers DAVE

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      • #66
        They’re an excellent roaster - because you can tweak them as much as you like or simply ‘set and forget’. The firmware gets updated often too.

        The batch size is small but you can roast back to back almost immediately - you just need to empty the chaff filter. The chaff removal is excellent too.

        The small batch size makes it easy to make blends though. I usually roast 800grams in total and the whole process is done in about 90 mins.

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        • #67
          Hi Davevic

          I have already contributed my two cents earlier in this thread, but as of today the Kaffelogic community pages are providing 12 core roast profiles to make it even easier to get into roasting. ( The profile by covelatt above is one of these shared profiles). I don't profess to know how, but i have tried one of the ready to drink profiles with a Green bay Ethiopian Shakisso and was surprised at how good it was with no resting period.

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          • DAVEVIC
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            Thanks for feedback.

        • #68
          Thanks sniffcoffe for your opinion on the kaffelogic im happy with the batch size of it as you can do back to back roasting I was looking at the gene roaster and behmor roaster then I came across the kaffelogic and was impressed but haven't seen much feedback as its relatively new.

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          • #69
            Yeah I'm very happy with the Kaffegic. It's my first roaster so I can't compare with other roasters, but it's so easy to achieve decent results with the default profile from the 1st ever batch.

            I mean it's no more difficult than heating up a pizza in the microwave. Just select the desired darkness (ranges from 0 to 5, I've been using 3.5 to 4.0 for medium-dark roasts).

            I then hand blend four bean varieties before I divide them into small containers.

            Then you can get into tweaking and trying custom profiles. I tries a 'ready to drink' profile for the first time today and it produced a really nice espresso minutes after roasting.

            I can highly recommend the roaster. The team at Kaffelogic are very approachable and down to earth, I've exchanged lots of e-mails with the CEO Chris and the coffee consultant Wayne.

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            • DAVEVIC
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              Thanks for your feedback on your first roster kaffelogic

              Cheers DAVEVIC

          • #70
            Hi, all first-time poster.

            I've decided I want to start doing my own roasting and have pulled the pin on a KL, which should hopefully arrive later this week. I have grabbed some Colombian, Peru and PNG beans from the CoffeeSnoob store to start playing, I normally use mine in either a delterpress or Aeropress. any tips on a good baseline to start roasting? I normally go for a medium to medium-dark.

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            • #71
              Originally posted by Grug165 View Post
              Hi, all first-time poster.

              I've decided I want to start doing my own roasting and have pulled the pin on a KL, which should hopefully arrive later this week. I have grabbed some Colombian, Peru and PNG beans from the CoffeeSnoob store to start playing, I normally use mine in either a delterpress or Aeropress. any tips on a good baseline to start roasting? I normally go for a medium to medium-dark.
              Kaffelogic has a fairly active community forum. You will be able to find roast profiles developed by Kaffelogic as well as profiles contributed by the community. I would suggest sampling some of the profiles on the forum and when you are more confident, develop your own profile to your taste. The ease of developing your own profile and get repeatable results is what makes Kaffelogic shine. Good luck and have fun!

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              • #72
                hi Grug165

                when your KL arrives , find the serial number and submit to The KL team to get access to the profile bits of the forum. Read the guide and try some simgle roasts to start ( at 100=120 gms in ;it is pretty normal to always roast as single bean_) I would use the Peru as an easy first bean and either the default classic profile and wait/'rest 4 or so days or upload the RTD Ready to Drink profiles and you can drink virtually straight away. Don't go too dark until you see what sort of power you have available.

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                • quester
                  quester commented
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                  Great advice FNQ. I would add, to download and install the latest Firmware and Studio package. May as well have that beastie humming as you mean to go on!

                • Grug165
                  Grug165 commented
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                  thanks, mate I have roasted a few of the small sample batches that came with the roaster. I am going to throw the Peru in today I am going to do under the classic roast for one batch and another with the new 12 profiles looking at the chart Peru has 2 different altitudes to choose from so I might try the lower one first and see how it goes

              • #73
                I was able to access profiles submitted by users and also a set of about 12 uploaded by the Kaffelogic team earlier today. Didn't need to submit my serial number. Maybe there are some extra special ones locked away. But the freely available ones will keep me quiet for a long while.

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                • #74
                  Originally posted by Bushtocup View Post
                  I was able to access profiles submitted by users and also a set of about 12 uploaded by the Kaffelogic team earlier today. Didn't need to submit my serial number. Maybe there are some extra special ones locked away. But the freely available ones will keep me quiet for a long while.
                  Yes, it's an open forum. No hidden profiles. You only need to sign up to post and you will need the serial number to sign up.

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                  • #75
                    I have had my Kaffelogic for a week now having previously used a Behmor and Corretto with Heatsnob. Hands down the cleanest in the cup of the three.

                    It took me a year to warm to it, and I now regret not purchasing sooner. I have around 10 green varieties at any one time, and so my fears about a smaller batch size were totally unfounded. Mainly because it allows me to:

                    - Roast enough for the day, in the morning, using the Ready to Drink profile for the appropriate altitude
                    - Change up what I want as I'm not roasting a week's worth
                    - If I do want or need to roast ahead, using the Rest version of the relevant profile and roasting several back to back - straight into a Friis or Airscape when finished and ready to drink at optimal level in 5 days time.
                    - Quickly roast more by loading beans, hitting a button, and walking away to finish what I was working on (while keeping it within eyesight and ear shot, as the manual recommends)
                    - Try other people's profiles. By other people, I mean experienced roasters who have done a lot of testing and trying and share their results - great for learning more about the science of roasting.

                    There is just no bitterness or harshness on these roasts. I overextracted a blend while dialling in and it tasted great - neither bitter, nor harsh. Intense, yes, but no astringency.

                    I don't quite know how to explain it, but the only times I've had bad roasts are when I've pushed beans darker at my own choosing. I'm learning what I like is actually medium-light, not dark. And that 'dark' is not always dark in colour, but about development.

                    At night I sit down and review my logs. I roughly know areas for improvement, but am making notes for now, trying what I'm roasting, before playing with anything in the Kaffelogic Studio software.

                    Oh and I love the ability to log first crack and enable the roast development meter (in %) to be able to develop your roast to your liking. You don't need to do this, but I find I do get better - and surprising - results by aiming for Scott Rao's 20-25% development target.

                    I even roast up filter variants for my aeropress. Crisp and clean. Coffee makes me happy, and I now no longer see or feel the need to buy from a roaster as I did before. Not when I am drinking what I'm drinking.

                    Bottom line - we are drinking some of the world's best specialty coffee. If you want a no-fuss way to achieve the best damn roast from it quickly, and spend more time cupping, sampling and enjoying, then in my opinion it is worth the money for its automation, repeatability, and outstanding results. It's a roaster that gets outta the way and makes professional grade roasts a reality to those who love the idea but don't have the time to invest (me, with three kids under four years!)

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                    • barlo
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                      Awesome to hear you have found the perfect home roaster for your needs! Enjoy ☕️

                    • ElShauno
                      ElShauno commented
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                      Thanks barlo, it’s been a welcome surprise.

                    • Caffeinator
                      Caffeinator commented
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                      They are hugely underrated. I have an Ikawa Pro but honestly have not taken it from its case since the Kaffelogic arrived. They're just so easy to get incredible results from.
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