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Australian Bean costs: Please excuse my ignorance on this, [smiley=embarassed.gif] but I was wondering why Australian grown and processed beans such as the ones recently offered on BeanBay are quite a lot more expensive than many of the others.
I have yet to actually roast and taste them, although I will do so as soon as the postman delivers the latest offerings of which I managed to grab a batch, [smiley=happy.gif] but is the quality relative to the price?
Are the costs maybe due to the higher production and processing costs here in Australia?
Just wondering what the driver would be to buy Australian other than patriotism?
Originally posted by 695C4F464F43652E0 link=1278777137/62#62 date=1279156768
Are the costs maybe due to the higher production and processing costs here in Australia?
Yes, as well as quantity - these are small lots hence the costs per kg are higher.
Originally posted by 695C4F464F43652E0 link=1278777137/62#62 date=1279156768
Just wondering what the driver would be to buy Australian other than patriotism?
Quality? Try them and see. We dont have your taste buds Graham so we cant predict you will like them but, according to Andy, the MTE crowd dont just grow coffee but apply a fair bit of knowhow to the growing and processing of the beans.
Be aware that these beans require careful roasting. The previous MTE batch Andy put out roasted quite well in my KKTO but another batch didnt do that well in a corretto. Id say gentle all the way, especillay from FC to SC, but I have limited raosting experience of Aussie beans.
Originally posted by 1F184C0 link=1278777137/55#55 date=1279012710
Just be careful not to end up like me - I still dont have a decent roast setup (I cant believe how hard it is to find a second-hand breadmaker these days)
Well, IMHO the breadmaker is overrated anyway. In my old Sunbeam machine, the beans roast unevenly at the corners of the tin. I get better results using a stainless steel sieve inside a round SS bowl of equal diameter from Ikea. The agitation comes from my trusty spoon.
A bit "old-school" perhaps, but it works, and its way better than the poppers I was using before.
Originally posted by 7144575E575B7D360 link=1278777137/65#65 date=1279157760
Will report my own findings after tasting, although not that accomplished at the cupping lark as yet
Dont have to be Graham, a few short words will do it, easy/difficult to roast, love em/like em/take em or leave em/dislike/etc and what type of drink they were used in.
Originally posted by 5C697A737A76501B0 link=1278777137/62#62 date=1279156768
Are the costs maybe due to the higher production and processing costs here in Australia?
Mostly that is the reason. Although to put it in perspective, these are less than a third of the price of $100/kg JBM and are far more interesting.
The MTC microlot beans are the most expensive in the country by a long shot. We have had other MTC offerings that were as much as $5/kg cheaper but still a lot more than any of the other "standard imports".
Wages (Australian wages, not $10/day 3rd world), processing (colour sorted, graded and near zero defect), freight (internal expensive AU frieght) all add to the cost along with the fact that the production volume is very, very small.
There are other Australian producers that manage to get coffee to market for nearly half the MTC mirolot price but if you tried most these side by side you would know why MTC charge what they do. (that is my polite version typed on the website, as me in person about some of the floor sweepings that some Australian growers think is specialty coffee)
I guess you are also paying a premium for the fact that the rest of the world wants to buy more than the whole MTC crop too... you were just lucky that we bought it on day 1, before they had a chance to!
Originally posted by 65435045504354435050220 link=1278777137/66#66 date=1279158134
Well, IMHO the breadmaker is overrated anyway.
Interesting, my converted Breville is reliable as clockwork, I roast 625 grams once a week, roasts evenly each and every time.
In my opinion Corettos are under rated, and thats what makes this such an interesting forum, one persons like is anothers dislike.
Originally posted by 5C7379641D0 link=1278777137/68#68 date=1279158439
I guess you are also paying a premium for the fact that the rest of the world wants to buy more than the whole MTC crop too... you were just lucky that we bought it on day 1, before they had a chance to!
Sounds like a good coup on your part Andy, getting some in the 1st place then.
Also makes me look a little more fondly at my lone little Arabica tree growing just outside my window here. Might need to give it a little more TLC. [smiley=kiss.gif]
Originally posted by 42647762776473647777050 link=1278777137/66#66 date=1279158134
Well, IMHO the breadmaker is overrated anyway
Id have to say the corretto is underrated as per Jon. Love my corretto - very even roasting with lots of control.
Originally posted by 42647762776473647777050 link=1278777137/66#66 date=1279158134
In my old Sunbeam machine, the beans roast unevenly at the corners of the tin.
Sounds like your sunbeam wasnt giving you good agitation. As long as all the beans are constantly moving around and not getting "still spots" then the roast should be even. Mine are.
Originally posted by 0A3F2C252C20064D0 link=1278777137/70#70 date=1279159344
Sounds like a good coup on your part Andy, getting some in the 1st place then.
Even better than you imagine. The nice thing about a good business relationship is that as a long term supporter and purchaser of the MTC beans they look after us very well. Often beans like these two super limited microlots could fetch a much higher price to European markets... but we got first crack (pardon the pun) and bought the whole lot!
Alas, enjoy it while its here as there wont be any more from these two rows of trees till the new year.
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