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    advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

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    Hi all,

    We recently purchased a Jura Impressa Z5 Generation II for our workplace (using approx 1-2kg of beans a week).

    Ive been through market beans (delicious!), woollies cheapos (not so great), and woollies "premium" beans (better).

    Now I have the opportunity to order some through corporate express to save me going to the shop every week. This is what they offer:

    Lavazza Café Espresso Beans 1kg - $28.99/pk
    Lazumba Premium Beans 1kg - $34.65/pk
    Vittoria Beans 1kg - $22.99/pk
    Lavazza Super Crème Beans 1kg - $44.90/pk
    Jasper Specialty Blend No.8 1kg - $38.00/pk
    Harris Beans 1kg - $23.79/pk
    Lavazza Oro Gold Beans 1kg - $29.49/pk
    Lazumba Latino Premo 1kg - $19.80/pk
    Vittoria Espesso 1kg - $22.45/pk
    Grinders Brazil 1kg - $34.08/pk

    Firstly, is the taste / price good for any of these, and secondly could I get better taste / price ordering from somewhere else?

    Now the folks here have come from drinking instant coffee (I had many lunch-time conversations on that) so theyre not expecting the best coffee in the world, just something flavoursome and reasonably strong.

    I appreciate your advice! Many thanks.

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    Dont just look at price. Where are you getting your beans from? Forget about any of the supermarket brands they are just terrible. Questions you should be asking.

    When was the coffee roasted? (Coffee is best fresh. Using 4-15 days old from being roasted)
    What am I drinking? (is is crappy robusta coffee that is usually in these supermarket brands)

    There are so many small roasters doing amazing coffee go to them. They sell coffee here too!!!

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    What AndyL said.

    Get quality beans, freshly roasted. They dont cost any more on average and the real coffee fans will appreciate it. The ones who dont care will often continue not caring.

    Most of the roasters here will mail you coffee. I just visit my roaster on the way to work.

    Greg

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    If you go the Buy Brown link on the top left, you will see that 1 KG of beans there will cost around the $35 mark + postage ($10 for up to 3KG) with guaranteed freshness and quality that will make those premium Woollies beans seem not as good.

    Check through the list of Site sponsors and you will see many more that will offer beans at competitive prices. They will also no doubt agree to a supply arrangement.

    Does Corporate Express guarantee the freshness of the beans they supply?

    Do your co-workers want to drink a cup of coffee or do they want to enjoy a cup of coffee

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    Where are you?
    You may be near a sponsor that roasts and be able to save on postage?

    Once they taste the good stuff theyll never touch instant again.

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    Hi there
    If you are in melbourne and interested then PM me and i can put you onto a local roaster
    We use them here at work and go through about 2kg a week.

    Mal

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    Im in a similar situation as the author. In an office with a super automatic (3 of them actually) but were using ordinary beans. Ive cut down to drinking the bare minimum of coffee now because I just cant stomach the taste.

    Unfortunately, in an office, where $ is the bottom line management dont care if the coffee could taste better with fresh beans. They already figure theyre providing a premium product. Why should they pay $35 a kilo when they can get stuff for $20-$25 per kilo.

    If anyone knows a local roasters who would be happy to supply small quantities to businesses for that sort of cost, Im sure a few people would like to know.

    -ACog

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACog link=1228266899/0#6 date=1228426224

    If anyone knows a local roasters who would be happy to supply small quantities to businesses for that sort of cost, Im sure a few people would like to know.

    -ACog
    And if anyone knows a dealer who will sell a Ferrari at the same cost as a Holden - Im sure there is a few people who want to know ;) ;D ;D ;D

    Seriously quality costs a premium..... the green beans are more expensive, the firm have spent a LOT of money buying their roaster, the person doing the roasting supervises closely and the output for all that effort is relatively small - and expensive.

    On the other hand the elcheapo supermarket cr@p is roasted by the truckload, using God knows what beans, packaged by large automatic plants..... with little human involvement - let alone intelligent human involvement!!!! And skilled humans expect reasonable money for their time and effort.......

    There is a reason good coffee costs $35 a kilo...... and if people (or firms) arent prepared to spend that sort of money...... then "you gets what you paid for"....... cr@p coffee :P >:(

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    I am happy to supply a quality product at a reasonable price to businesses. We have a minimum order per month (8Kg) for customers to meet in order to qualify for wholesale prices, but are happy to send the coffee weekly if needed.

    Freight can be a killer though but you never know unless you ask.

    email me direct for a price and freight quote.

    Jason

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    JavaB,

    Youre preaching to the converted. I would and do happily spend $35 or more on quality coffee.

    Jason, Thanks for the info. Ill find out our current usage and cost and contact you if I think I can navigate Managements minefield.

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    some great responses - thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL link=1228266899/0#1 date=1228270201
    Dont just look at price. Where are you getting your beans from? Forget about any of the supermarket brands they are just terrible.
    Thats where I am getting them from now, but that will change soon :)

    I doubt Corporate Express could guarantee the age of their beans either. Hmm, someone should open up a Corporate Espress(o)!

    Quote Originally Posted by GregWormald link=1228266899/0#2 date=1228271142
    What AndyL said.

    Get quality beans, freshly roasted. They dont cost any more on average
    You think I could get some reasonable quality beans for about $30-35/kg? Im happy to spend more at home, but wont have much luck at work.

    Im in Darwin, so if anyone has any local knowledge of roaster, let me know!

    Maybe Ill check out the sponsors then. I think wed miss out on "Pioneer Roasters" deal, as we probably dont get to 8kg/mo. Probably 4-6kg/mo, depending on who is here at the time.

    On a tangent - can you get a reasonable roast from an oven, or do you need an expensive roaster? I dont know if the roasters are just for ease of use on a mass scale, or because they do something special.

    thanks!

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    Hi Iain

    Have sent you a pm re your coffee requirements.

    As for oven roasting, the problem lies with the need to agitate the beans, otherwise they will scorch. During the roasting process smoke and chaff are also produced and need to escape in some way, so again, an oven is probably the least ideal method of roasting IMO.

    Next step up would be a frypan or wok - try searching through the threads and you should get some info on this method.

    Cheers
    Den

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    I pay (on average) $32 per kilo for The Coffee Baruns best--but then I can pick them up from the roaster.

    Greg

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

    Quote Originally Posted by iaindb link=1228266899/0#10 date=1228975356
    You think I could get some reasonable quality beans for about $30-35/kg? *Im happy to spend more at home, but wont have much luck at work.

    Im in Darwin, so if anyone has any local knowledge of roaster, let me know!

    Maybe Ill check out the sponsors then. *I think wed miss out on "Pioneer Roasters" deal, as we probably dont get to 8kg/mo. *Probably 4-6kg/mo, depending on who is here at the time.

    Hey, thats just for a wholesale price, even at retail including delivery you could get beans from me for under $35 a kilo

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    Re: advice on beans - Im a newbea(n)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuppacoffee link=1228266899/0#11 date=1228976800
    Hi Iain

    Have sent you a pm re your coffee requirements.

    As for oven roasting, the problem lies with the need to agitate the beans, otherwise they will scorch. During the roasting process smoke and chaff are also produced and need to escape in some way, so again, an oven is probably the least ideal method of roasting IMO.
    My oven has both an internal fan for circulating air, and an exhaust fan for extracting heat / gas from the top. Would this be a reasonable deal? I know it wouldnt be as good as a professional roaster, just wondering if its worth trying or not.

    Next step up would be a frypan or wok - try searching through the threads and you should get some info on this method.

    Cheers
    Den
    Thanks, Ill check it out!



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