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    "Red espresso"

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    Anyone tried this stuff called "Red Espresso"? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_espresso and http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/789828.html

    I quote from the latter article:

    "Called Red Espresso, its made from rooibos tea but can be used in a traditional espresso machine and used as the foundation for any espresso-based drink. Theres no caffeine, and the drinks are rich in antioxidants, affording folks a more healthful choice. "

    What is it like? Would there be flavour/other contamination issues if you use it in your regular espresso machine/portafilter?

    Curious squirrel

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    Not tried but I can only imagine it tastes like a Rooibos.
    I guess it would leave some flavour in the pf so clean it well.

    I like my Rooibos brewed,
    cant understand why youd bother.

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    Quote Originally Posted by 4D43475A464D5C280 link=1243581523/0#0 date=1243581523

    Theres no caffeine

    Curious squirrel
    And that would make you uncaffeinated squirrel...

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    Im very interested to try this, but a cursory search shows to local (ie. national) suppliers, and as I havent even had rooibos before, I wouldnt be willing to lash out on international shipping. Definitely something to keep in mind though, I guess.

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    Quote Originally Posted by 2C243C362B4F0 link=1243581523/2#2 date=1243584217
    And that would make you uncaffeinated squirrel...
    That would be a bad thing indeed...

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E3730392B2D3F335E0 link=1243581523/3#3 date=1243598139
    international shipping
    No need for that pingusam.
    In Brisbane city, The Tea Centre has a range of Rooibos.
    In an arcade off the Quees st mall.
    A quick google will find it for you.

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    Rooibos is a South African product and is readily available in Brisbane. If youre in the Western Suburbs, youll find it the butchers at both Kenmore Village and Kenmore Plaza as well as the Foodstore on Moggil Rd. If you search for Springbok Foods, one of the importers, youll find a stockist list.
    I think Ive even seen it at Coles.

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    Ha, Im so set in my internet ways. I can now recall seeing it in Coles myself at some stage.

    E; I mean the tea, not the espresso thing. I guess the added advantage of the espresso style rooibos would be longevity.

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    Ive got some in my cupboard Ive been meaning to try. You will need to do a backflush cleaning regimen when youre done doing them up as well as a good soaking of your portafilter and basket in a backflushing solution as it leaves a residual flavor behind. You also need to be very careful in how much you use. Putting too much in the basket can damage your machine.

    Ill do some up before I retire the espresso machine for the summer here and let ya know what I think. :)


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    Re: "Red espresso"

    You can buy Rooibos at most suoermarkets & healthfood shops. Rooibos with Buchu is joy if you can get your hands on it! ;) hard to find on the west coast!

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    Im just very interested in the espresso-style extraction, thats all. Teawise I have a couple from the (very) local supermarket, some temple of heaven gunpowder tea, oolong, and green all from asia, as well as some earl grey (twinnings) I got from Coles (all loose leaf, obviously).

    Im not exactly a sophisticated tea connoisseur – I even chew the leaves once Ive brewed a couple times!

    Kombucha is definitely my next experiment (an appropriate word).

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    It tastes like uuummm.....tea! ::)

    It extracted nothing like espresso.

    I brewed it up exactly as per the instructions on the packet. One level scoop (included in the package) of the tea placed into a double basket. Pre-infuse the tea and then wait for 15 seconds and then extract 60ml. The 60ml came pouring out in ~5-6 seconds with no signs of any crema like component.

    Straight up it tasted ok but nothing really unusual so I thought what the heck, and frothed up some milk and made a cappuccino with it. It turned the foam an interesting shade of red/brown/pink and made a drinkable cup.

    All in all brewing it up in the espresso machine did nothing other than make a concentrated small cup of tea. Perhaps using their special basket will get it to yield some crema or other special characteristics.


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    Well, isnt that just depressing. I like really strong teas, so the concentrated aspect appeals to me, but because of the extra cleanup...I dont think Id bother. If it was concentrated AND had a viscous texture, then itd be worth it.

    :(

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    Re: "Red espresso"

    try plunging instead with equal parts tea and water then leave overnight for an action-packed extraction!

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    Redespresso - coffee alternative

    Anyone tried it on there machine? I had the drink at a cafe recently very interesting coffee alternative.

    red espresso® | no ordinary tea and not your typical espresso

    Can't seem to locate a local supplier. Anyone tried grinding roobios to see if it has the same results?

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    Despite drinking rooibos tea daily I haven't tried the red espresso, thought it was a bit of a gimmick when I saw it in coffee shops in Cape Town. What does it taste like? Did you come across it in a local café?

    It appears easy enough to find a local source on google, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort if it isn't much different to my usual cup. Traditionally rooibos is boiled, which makes for a much stronger tea anyway. The youtube clip also shows them pre-infusing to expand the tea and create resistance.

    Reading the wiki article it's interesting to note that a US company trademarked the name "Rooibos" and later lost a legal battle for the trademark - bleedin' cheek!

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    Quote Originally Posted by habahabanero View Post
    Reading the wiki article it's interesting to note that a US company trademarked the name "Rooibos" and later lost a legal battle for the trademark - bleedin' cheek!
    Reminds me of the Ugg Boot affair...

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    It's no more a coffee alternative than any other tea is.


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    Red espresso

    My wife does not share my coffee addiction but likes her tea. I noticed this at a store the other day and bought a packet. Served as a latte she loves it.

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    Despite what it says on the packet, it doesn't pour like espresso, more of a gusher and you don't get crema like it shows on the pic. Regardless, it tastes quite nice.

    Has anyone else tried this?

    Just thought I would share my new discovery.

    Cheers

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    Where do you buy it in person?

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    In Duncraig (Perth), at this little South African shop. Pretty sure they had some others there. Will have a look when I am there next. It's made is SA so perhaps other such shops stock it?

    I just realised I should have used the dual wall basket to mimic stale coffee and slow down the pour. Will give that a go tomorrow.

    Cheers

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    yea have seen it in a few places around perth
    always wondered what it tastes like

    i'm curious why they are trying to market it as a close coffee substitute
    is it anywhere close?

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    No where near it in taste to coffee. But it is quite nice. I am not a big fan of roibos tea but as a latte this is quite ok.

    Keen to see if it produces more "crema" using a pressurised basket, and see how it flows.

    It doesn't compact down in the basket with the tamper at all.

    Must say it's a bit strange. Normally tea has a higher water temp and longer steep time to coffee.

    Cheers

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    Looking at the bag it's designed for a plunger, which would make it the same as any tea where it's steeped for a while.

    I think the name is just a play on words to get more people thinking it's something it's not, of course it doesn't taste like coffee because it isn't coffee, it's tea!

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    Thanks Java

    Yeah good point, it is tea!!

    The packet does mention other methods including espresso machine, moka pot, and filter. No doubt they all produce something tasty.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    The packet does mention other methods including espresso machine, moka pot, and filter. No doubt they all produce something tasty.
    Well, they will produce something! Beware of the thorough cleaning the brewer will need every time after being used with the red stuff to avoid contaminating the real coffee!


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    Tried a shot yesterday with the pressurised basket. "Crema" was increased but it was stiff and full of bubbles, making art not as effective. My wife also said it tasted bitter but weak.

    Cheers

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    I stumbled across this variety of caffeine-free espresso drink by chance, and managed to get one of the specialty PF basket (essentially less holes to increase brew time) and a bag of red espresso (preground rooibos tea).
    Unlike some people have experienced, I actually find it quite pleasant in a latte-style drink, the crema is decent if you follow the instruction:
    1. Pre-infusion till espresso comes out,
    2. Stop (with manual lever or paddle),
    3. wait 20sec for the tea to brew,
    4. pull a shot in 20 seconds.

    See picture of 2 shots pulled with and without pre-infusion brew time, you can notice significant more crema as a result. Taste wise, it's sweet and salty with the typical rooibos tea earthy mouthfeel, quite pleasant to drink with frothed milk.
    Also make sure to flush with wiggling technique and back-flush.
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    I havent used the coffee machine to brew, too much cleaning up to "disinfect" the machine afterwards.

    Have done a few brews in the aeropress, find it much more effective as you can easily steep for longer and to me it tastes better.

    Cheers

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    I brewed some normal english breakfast in my Bezzera, just for experimentation sake. I used my normal triple basked but turned the flowrate right down.

    Worked OK, but really strong and astringent. Took a while for the coffee to taste normal again afterwards too (depite a good clean).



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