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    Best Time to enjoy coffee

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    I am generating a new thread following on from this one:

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B6E797B4B736E717D70781C0 link=1244805738/7#7 date=1245156195
    I do notice that the tastes change over time, and for me the coffee gets mellower with age. What I havent decided is how old is best. Sometimes I prefer it young, usually about 3-5 days, usually about a week, although some of the perfumed flavours are diminishing by then. *
    When is the "best time" to start enjoying a bean?

    From my own observations, beans appear to be at their best somewhere between 7 and 14 days. For the general enthusiast, is there really much benefit in tasting the bean before 5 days. The Huehuetenango I am currently drinking tasted fairly ordinary after 6 days. Yesterday was quite nice. Today, 9 days post-roast, it is stunning!

    I have heard the advice to cup my beans pretty soon after roasting but what would I be looking for in doing that? I can understand that roasters will want to cup a bean straight after roasting if they need to make a decision about buying. Andy has already done the "hard work" when choosing the bean for BeanBay so I wonder why it would be worth my while in cupping an unaged roast. Greg has mentioned perfumed flavours. I have tasted this in beans that have been a week or so post-roast.

    It would be good to generate a survey of various SOs and when they reach their best. Perhaps in the Cupping Room threads we could add a poll to survey this.

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D677265656A7E780B0 link=1245191328/0#0 date=1245191328
    It would be good to generate a survey of various SOs and when they reach their best. Perhaps in the Cupping Room threads we could add a poll to survey this.
    I like the idea but I wonder if it would really work?

    Everyone would have to have the storage set up, same bags, light, humidity, temperture etc.

    Everyone would have to have the same equipment. Some people claim a different taste from different grinders. I can taste a slight difference from my Rocky to my Cadet/Junior. I can taste a difference from my Silvia to my Brugnetti.

    Everyone would have to have the grind setting the same, the temperture of the brew water the same.
    Everyone would need to use the same brew type, espresso, plunger, coldpress, syphon etc.

    The beans would need to be roasted the same, same roaster in the same enviroment.

    The green beans would have to be stored the same.

    Probably the hardest thing would be that everyone would have to have the same palate.

    I hope I am wrong!

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 23203232362038410 link=1245191328/1#1 date=1245193510
    Everyone would have to have the storage set up, same bags, light, humidity, temperture etc.
    Thanks BW. I did consider that but I dont think we necessarily need to get a magic number. From the poll, one could determine that most people find bean x to be best y-z days from roast date. Just a general guideline.

    Perhaps there are too mnay variables. I started out thinking which beans, if any, might be best enjoyed within 5 days of raosting. The poll gives a rough guide.

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    I still think it might be a good idea, I was just being devils advocate.

    I guessing most people roast fairly close to each other. Most people would use the one way valve bags.

    I think the two biggest variants would be personal taste and style of brew. A fresher, perfumed bean might be more suited to a syphon then espresso. But still one could say at what point their bean peaked for perfume, when it started rounding off, etc.

    Or maybe it could be just a guide? Just like saying that you should hit first crack at 11 minutes and second at 17 minutes or espresso is 30ml extracted in 25 seconds. Well not quite the same but you know what I mean?

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    Youre really talking for espresso, I guess?

    I often drink beans that are 1, 2, 3 days old as pourover/syphon/cupping style.

    Actually, thinking about it I had a Sidamo as espresso a while back that was clearly most excellent at 2 days post roast, so Id never assume its not worth trying a bean for 5 days. Ive read that finer/down-dosed shots are the way to go for super fresh coffee, and have had some pretty good results playing with that.

    I would also imagine that the roast profile is going to make a significant contribution to when a coffee peaks.

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 0D17011414600 link=1245191328/4#4 date=1245230605
    Youre really talking for espresso, I guess?
    Well not just spros Michelle though it would be perhaps more critical for them without milk to smooth the flavours. But youve definitely helped answer my question.

    I might slip in a poll at some stage. An Ethiopian would be a good choice as they are among the most popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3E34213636392D2B580 link=1245191328/5#5 date=1245232031
    Well not just spros Michelle though it would be perhaps more critical for them without milk to smooth the flavours. But youve definitely helped *answer my question.
    Er, milk, um yeah ... ::)
    Sorry, I meant espresso as opposed to other brewing methods. ;)

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Sorry - should have realised what you meant by espresso.

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Very roughly my pattern seems to be Pour over: Day 1-7 and for milk based Day 5 - 16. But as Michelle said sometimes those fresh flat whites are devine, but lately havent had the pleasure.

    Chris

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    i only drink espresso usually a restricted pour.
    I like my beans roasted about 1-2min into SC and drink a min of 8-12days after roast.
    I do try in between but usually wait longer, the longer the better up to 20 days, usually i find the sweet spot for various beans between 10-14 days.
    I find first thing in the morning is the best time to drink it too.

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    I *drink espresso 50% of the time and milk topped espresso 50% of the rest

    But lately I have been grinding fine to powder & brewing some Greek coffee in the briki
    and experimenting with the baby Cona vac pot
    So that puts my percentages out of whack :o

    I mainly roast to 30 to 60 seconds into second crack

    Anyway for my taste buds
    I do prefer beans 5 to 14 days post roast for the South Americans and countries north of *Australia

    African Beans 14 days + post roast

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Mmm..just had another flash/idea: The CS Home roaster "club" (a bit like a bookclub where the members read a book then meet together to discuss it later)

    Wotif each BeanBay we nominate a bean and then we start up a Forum Topic *to accommodate discussion of its merits? Include options such as roast method/s, cupping profile, etc. It could also include input from those who have bought the bean pre-roasted from Bean Bay.

    I know we already have similar forum topics for this sort of discussion but I was thinking of something a bit less ad hoc.

    Worth a ...errr...shot? *:-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 616B7E6969667274070 link=1245191328/11#11 date=1245292020
    Mmm..just had another flash/idea: The CS Home roaster "club" (a bit like a bookclub where the members read a book then meet together to discuss it later)

    Wotif each BeanBay we nominate a bean and then we start up a Forum Topic *to accommodate discussion of its merits? Include options such as roast method/s, cupping profile, etc. It could also include input from those who have bought the bean pre-roasted from Bean Bay.

    I know we already have similar forum topics for this sort of discussion but I was thinking of something a bit less ad hoc.

    Worth a ...errr...shot? *:-/
    Sounds like a plan... :)

    The issue will then become:

    Roasted bean X for coffee making process Y, so does it have to be multiple threads for bean X?

    Interesting talking to Andy at Cafe Biz as he was saying the overall roasting styles of Sydney and Melbourne are quite different as far as he knows, with Sydney looking for acidity and Melbourne looking for body. Would this again fragment of confuse the thread?

    Overall I really like your idea as you will be able to match certain parameters of what you do vis a vis what others do and get some useful information and comparisons.

    Terrible pun at the end though... ;D


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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 58524750505F4B4D3E0 link=1245191328/11#11 date=1245292020
    Wotif each BeanBay we nominate a bean and then we start up a Forum Topic *to accommodate discussion of its merits? Include options such as roast method/s, cupping profile, etc. It could also include input from those who have bought the bean pre-roasted from Bean Bay.
    I reckon Id be in for this.

    Greg

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 4D475245454A5E582B0 link=1245191328/11#11 date=1245292020
    Wotif each BeanBay we nominate a bean and then we start up a Forum Topic *to accommodate discussion of its merits? Include options such as roast method/s, cupping profile, etc. It could also include input from those who have bought the bean pre-roasted from Bean Bay.
    Nice one, would be great fun.
    Quote Originally Posted by 484058524F2B0 link=1245191328/12#12 date=1245292493
    Interesting talking to Andy at Cafe Biz as he was saying the overall roasting styles of Sydney and Melbourne are quite different as far as he knows, with Sydney looking for acidity and Melbourne looking for body
    Really ?? :-/

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    A poll is an idea, but instead a "list" where people fill out a form of something like below I think would be more useful:

    Coffee Region/location/farm: Yemen Mokha Ismaili
    Roast Level (and notes): CS8 (11m 1st crack, 17m 2nd crack...corretto)
    Brew Method: espresso
    Day 1:
    Day 2:
    Day 3:
    ... etc

    With notes each day (or small note when not tasted). This way if people are looking for a similar coffee they can see if they roast it in a similar way what they can expect for roast times. After gathering data its more reasonable to expect that conclusions can be drawn such as "most african coffees like a longer rest period" depending on a number of factors of course.

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Given I use a popper, I rarely roast enough to last me more than 7 days.

    Recently I havent even been putting beans in vac bags. Roast - Cool - Dump into hopper - Drink :D

    Some are better than others... All are worth trying at least once a day.

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 063F3535393A391A37222233560 link=1245191328/16#16 date=1245360053
    Recently I havent even been putting beans in vac bags.Roast - Cool - Dump into hopper - Drink *
    Thats funny ;D

    As a fellow popper roaster I can sympathise
    Thinking of doing a Coretto

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D6B766A7170190 link=1245191328/15#15 date=1245332539
    A poll is an idea, but instead a "list" where people fill out a form of something like below I think would be more useful:
    More like a nightmare for the poor person administering all the data.
    Just think of how much data you are trying to collect, different beans, different people, there will be so much that you just cant put it in a list, you will need a purpose built database driven web based front end with input forms and output solutions.
    Who will design build host this wonderfull system?
    I am sure Andy has more than enough to do and will run screaming or just sit back, smile and reach for an espresso

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    Re: Best Time to enjoy coffee

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    Here is the plan. When Andy posts *next Bean Bays offering, I will create a poll where those who wish to participate can vote for the bean of the month.
    I will also post a basic template which can be used to report your results. I dont want to go too analytical and start collating results. Those who wish to participate can post theirs up for all to see. They can fee l free to add or subract to that in the template

    Bean: Yemen Yirgacheffe Bourbon ;)
    Roasting method: Popper, corretto, Gene, iRoast, Hot Top, dog bowl, etc
    Roasting Notes: Ill keep this optional and open in format
    Cupping/Sampling profile: As formal or informal as you like it
    Other: Anything else



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