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    A chicken or the egg dilemma

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    Making the coffee or drinking it? *It occured to me the other day that I enjoy making the coffee just as much as I like drinking it. *I will fire up the coffee machine for someone else and happily make them a coffee even though I dont want one. *If I had to decide whether I like making it or drinking it more I dont know that I could choose. *What is everyone elses thoughts?

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    Re: Chicken or the egg?

    You are spot on.

    Making it is part of the overall experience IMO.

    Had visitors from Brisvegas the other night and was more than happy to make them a coffee while I sucked on a beer. 8-)

    I cant choose either Justin. Its all good. 8-)


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    Re: Chicken or the egg?

    I am the same.
    I look forward to people coming over so i can make coffee.
    We have visitors staying for the weekend, can`t wait to make some coffee for them.
    The journey to the cup is what it`s all about, getting there is just as good as being there. :)

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    Re: Chicken or the egg?

    Compare Instunt Coffee, Teabags & Fast food to the time and care taken with a Home Roasted Coffee, Brewed Tea or a home cooked food.

    Apart from the obvious flavour improvements it is as much for me allowing myself the time to do it and the satisfaction of arriving at the result and then finally the drinking or eating. 8-)

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    Re: Chicken or the egg?

    Both but making it gives you that much more satisfaction.
    Add roasting to the mix and its satisfaction overload :)

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    I also like both
    The routine of making & the routine of drinking it

    However they do differ
    The making of is akin to an athlete in training always looking at an end goal of perfection

    The drinking of is the pleasure you have gained from all that practice

    The drinking routine is also a sensory mood of the time & day
    e.g. enjoy a coffee while reading the paper or with a meal

    All is good with me
    I just like great coffee. It matters not if I am just making or making & drinking

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    On the weekends when I am at family or freinds houses I just cant wait to get home for a coffee. I dont believe it is for the hit because in kalamunda where I usually am on the weekends there is some pretty good choices for good coffee. I just want to get home and make my own!!! Might be the same reason I dont steam and brew on my HX machine. I just love watching the coffee pour. Also helps to keep tabs on my grind/dose/tamp process.

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    Quote Originally Posted by 291610170A0D3C210C1A0F06630 link=1245374022/6#6 date=1245384656
    I dont believe it is for the hit
    I would agree, do many people actually notice the caffeine in their coffee? I dont. At the start of the year i went on a diet to drop a few KGs which involved no caffeine and removing standard Carbs etc.
    Yes i had a headache after 20hrs or so and i was told this would be due to the caffeine withdrawl as well as the natural detox process of the body, after loosing said KGs i reintroduced caffeine but not as much.

    During the day at work i have decaf and at night at home i have my roasts as the variety is 100% I never have trouble sleeping and when i have the first full caffeine coffee at 7:00pm i dont notice a thing. This is one of the reasons i can truely say that i drink coffee for the pleasure and not any "hit", having such a diverse range of beans to choose from in the bay and from my roaster is just fantastic and i havent even started blending yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by 280C050506063C280C100E0C630 link=1245374022/5#5 date=1245383154
    I just like great coffee. It matters not if I am just making or making & drinking
    I think this is the essence of what we do.

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    When you start considering it as a possible job for the love of it... well, for a year, and Id want to be with a roastery so I can stick my nose in and learn a heap ::)

    How converted am I?

    I do enjoy making good coffee and seeing people enjoy it. Dunno if Im ready for the *venting* side of the job though. ;)

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    Ha! fascinating to hear others say what has been running through my mind. A couple of observers have commented that they are a bit gobsmacked by the amount of work involved from when I fill the tank, switch on, & layout all the gear to when the last spoon & steaming jug is polished and placed back on the trolley. (about 30mins) For most it is simply an astounding amount of mucking around to get a cup of coffee. Interestingly enough, the person who most enjoyed the coffee also saw nothing negative in the routine. He understood implicitly that I enjoy the ritual as much as the result. People are fascinated by the milk steaming - it really gets their attention - they hang over the machine to see how you get the bubbles. (a bit of showmanship helps)

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    Intellidepth, i couldnt agree more.
    If i had more money than i could poke a stick at i would go and try and work at a roastery for the pure learning process alone, it is something so vastly different to I.T. and its a hobby as well.

    Cant say i would work in a cafe as i would struggle being nice to people who dont deserve it but then i am not in a pure service industry and have some helpdesk people who take care of that for me ;).

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    I agree with Rocky... Ive just had the neighbour over for a shot & to check out my shiny new toys.
    After scoffing at me standing there with the bathroom scales (im new at this) and the timer and all the other bits & pieces, once he sat back and took a slurp I was chuffed by the look on his face. I then asked "would you pay for something like that?" "oh sh*t yeah" was the reply.... So I asked for a fiver and told him to go home... ;D ;D

    I love that feeling...And I cant wait til I pick up the greens and then show him how I will roast ;)

    Chuffed :)

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    Well I reckon its a good thing that most of us like both :)

    I really like the ritual of making a coffee - find it very therapeutic.

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    I have also had the same comments from people that you have rusty. They all seem to flock to the kitchen when Im steaming and pouring the milk. A lot of people just cant understand that you dont need to go to a cafe to enjoy a good coffee. A lot of people also dont understand why I would put so much time into it just for a hot drink. Its the whole fresh food vs packaged dilemma.

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C4B514049494C414055514D250 link=1245374022/8#8 date=1245412260
    When you start considering it as a possible job for the love of it... well, for a year, and Id want to be with a roastery so I can stick my nose in and learn a heap ::)

    How converted am I?

    I do enjoy making good coffee and seeing people enjoy it. Dunno if Im ready for the *venting* side of the job though. ;)

    I love watching people at the Post Office when I go to mail off some freshly roasted beans. Even heat sealed into one-way valve bags theres enough venting that the smell quickly makes its way to all corners of the room. You can literally watch the smell waft through the room as one person after anothers nostrils flare and heads turn looking around to see where that wonderful smell is coming from.


    Java "Loves to vent" phile

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    One of the most commonly asked questions of me during my day behind the machine is...

    "Dont you get sick of making coffee?"

    I never get sick of watching that lovely liquid ooze out of the spouts and I watch every pour avidly, even whilst doing the other processes. (its good to be able to multitask!) It never gets boring and it keeps me on my toes...if it doesnt look as good as it should, thats when I have to lift my game and change whatever variable that needs adjusting (usually the grind of course!)

    Having been doing it for 3 years now, I have yet to have a day where I feel like I wont be coming back again the next to do it all again...and even those days that are hugely busy for us, even though I might churn out a lot of coffees, even when the lists are long and you feel like youre never going to get to the end of it...I still love making it and still continue to come back and do it all again day after day.

    Glad to see Im not the only one!

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    I can relate to all the comments and emotions mention above, I often arrive home and find Maria switched on and waiting for the head barista to arrive home to produce some of that lovely elixer to calm their furrowed brows.
    The roaster is getting plenty of work as well keeping up with the demands of my families caffeine needs!!!
    I get great joy and satisfaction from the roasting and transforming of the beans into amazing coffees which they eagerly await. If Im off the mark they soon let me know about it~~!!!!

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    Human beings love a challenge, especially if we get to enjoy the "fruits of our labours".

    What else do you know that requires such care and precision, is quickly done (try baking a cake from scratch!), and provides such a tasty outcome?

    Like the others here, I get as much satisfaction out of producing a great coffee as I do consuming it. WOW--TWICE. :)

    Greg

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

    Id like to do some research on the personality characteristics of coffee fanatics. I suspect that there is a distinct and definable personality type that gets into the coffee thing in a total immersion kind of way. Probably into other things in depth as well. Bit perfectionistic in approach, bit OCD, etc. Maybe when I retire in a few years I will design a questionnaire for you lot. Bet you are a bunch of sick puppies. ;D

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    Re: A chicken or the egg dilemma

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    Rocky said...
    Quote Originally Posted by 112C20283A430 link=1245374022/9#9 date=1245413156
    A couple of observers have commented that they are a bit gobsmacked by the amount of work
    involved .... For most it is simply an astounding amount of mucking around to get a cup of coffee. He understood implicitly that I enjoy the ritual as much as the result.
    The "work" is even more fun when its a small lever machine. I had my father-in-law over last weekend, I supply Gene roasted beans every week to the parents-in-law, and he saw the LaPavoni Europicolo. So I filled it up, turned it on, adjusted the Macap grinder finer, filled, tapped, levelled and tamped, back to the Pavoni, waited till the pressure release started to steam (hes a train nut so absolutely loved this machine), blead out some steam and water, locked in the portafilter, raised the lever, waited for an auspicious few seconds, pulled it down and slowly out came a viscous honey like stream of dark golden elixir. I could tell it would be good so said "just have a sip of this".

    Hes a flat white/cupppachino person, "ohhhhhh ... I could get used to this :-) ". He had never seen coffee coming out of a machine like that.

    I didnt have a shot from that machine that time but for me seeing the enjoyment on his face was great.
    Likewise when I make coffee for my wife and I on the Galatea its not just the process or the coffee but the act of making something for someone else that they enjoy that contributes to the allure of coffee.

    Finally the ritual was not yet finished .... there was the slow releasing of the pressure from the Pavoni, the cleaning of the group head by the portafilter wiggle, and several minutes more using two cotton wool bugs to clean the gasket and the general mess it made.

    Its fun :-)

    Mike






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