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    My daughters friends father has a tree and picked enough for about 100gm after drying. Should have taken pics from the start, will do so ifi we do this again. Firstly, pulped and fermented the original cherries. Then about ten days drying, now posted is the result after hulling. Will be roasting tomorrow, will take another shot then.

    A slight tangent, how do we terll the difference between Robusta and Arabica? I read that the Robusta cherry when ripe is consistent in size, as opposed to varied sizes in the Arabica.

    Just as an aside.....these were hulled by hand :o




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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    Im hoping to do the same.
    My two trees are about 2.5 years old now.
    No fruit yet.

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    Yeah TG, twas a labour intensive but enjoyable process. I just put the ripe cherries in a bucket, and used a piece of board, about 15mm thick, about 8 inches wide, and just pulped em.

    I have a number of oleanders at the front of my place which I have been planning to remove, was looking for a potential replacement...looks like I may have found it. *:D A dozen coffee trees *as a hedge *8-)

    I havent seen my mates tree so dont know the size of it....but this was the crop from one tree....

    Here is a link to home processing I found quite helpful

    http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5471.html

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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    Thats awesome man! Maybe take a pic of the tree and maybe someone might be able to identify the species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7A66667962030 link=1251367805/3#3 date=1251372295
    Thats awesome man! Maybe take a pic of the tree and maybe someone might be able to identify the species.
    Yeah mate, going to get my daughters friend to take a piccie of the tree...roasted, the beans are a consistent size approx. 1 to 2 mm in length shorter than normal beans. I had taken a couple of pics today of the comparison but a little out of focus, couldnt be bothered redoing.

    Have attached a piccie of the roasted results....using the HT, was into FC at about 10 mins and 190 deg., and through pretty quickly.




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    Hi madpierre06!!!

    Good job on the hand processing and the roast looks good enough to drink ;)

    As for identifying it for you... i can have a guess?
    I would say it is either K7 arabica or Catui bourbon.. looks very similar to what i grow but the size of the bean tell me its probably the K7 as the CRB is usually a smaller bean.
    The K7 is a taller generally lighter colored plant and the Catui is a shorter, more dense and usually darker in color plant.

    Arabica of course... As far as i know Robusta is essentially outlawed in Australia?
    Yes coffee does make a good hedge...allow around 3 years of good growing for it make a good hedge shape though and make sure it gets plenty of morning sun...after noon sun up north can be a little harsh so afternoon shade will be good for it but it will grow either way :)
    Hope the fruits of your labor are sweet!



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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    Thanks Luke. Ill hopefully have a piccie of said tree in next coupla days, I havent actually seen it. The roasted beans themselves were smaller than a Tanzanian Tunduru AA...and very consistent in size.

    Ive got some green beans there that came along for the ride, am going to have a shot at maybe getting some seedlings going from those. Scary where this may lead...... ::) Where they would be planted faces the east, so that sounds ideal for morning sun.

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    Two or three days poast roast, some very fethcing aromas coming from the bag. Was a little off originally and a day after, but this morning it seems to be coming along nicely. Am holding off tasting :o, going to do the right thing and bring daughters friends parents over so they can try it, probably middle to late next week..not sure how many coffees Ill get out of 75gm.

    . Talking to him this morning, he has still got about twice this quantity on the tree, that is lobbing here Tuesday...will take some piccies of the entire process step by step this time to post a pictorial update.

    The oleanders WILL be going..... 8-)

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    Well done, I am very jealous. Are your thumbs still sore from the hulling?

    It would be interesting to find out what cultivar they are. I think that Mundo Novo was one cultivar that was planted in Australia at some stage and, from memory it has smaller and more rounded beans. Of course, trying to guess cultivar from the photos above is pretty near impossible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29302624450 link=1251367805/8#8 date=1251607135
    Well done, I am very jealous. *Are your thumbs still sore from the hulling?

    It would be interesting to find out what cultivar they are. *I think that Mundo Novo was one cultivar that was planted in Australia at some stage and, from memory it has smaller and more rounded beans. *Of course, trying to guess cultivar from the photos above is pretty near impossible!

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    Cheers Luca....ah yes, my thumbs :o Theyre not too bad actually, would just have the bowl sitting with me whilst watching TV, or on the PC, so didnt have to think about it too much. It was surprising how quick it seemed to happen. Im hoping to have tree piccies in next couple days.

    Its scary what you think of upon waking, this evening after I woke up all I could think of was possibilities as to how to set up a home processing station..... :o A bigger bucket (sorry, pulping bin) for a start, gloing to head to a local Steptoe & Son during the week, see what hes got laying around.

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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    hoping to do the same one day, and grow some soybeans while Im at it so I can make a soy latte from the ground up ;D

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    coupla cows in the backyard ;D

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    Ok, having seen the tree today have the best piccie of it up now...not sure if that will be sufficient to identify it. I certainly was much mistaken about the crop from it...with still plenty more left on said tree, I have more that I picked today with his help. And prob. one more lot to come.


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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    Plus two more shots....the latest crop, and my patented pulping station


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    And the pulpng station....we will be taste testing the first roasted batch next week, so will try and give a decent report on that, maybe a pour shot or two.


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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    WOW! that looks to be a very established plant!

    From the hight i think you could rule out the catui variations.

    looks like it will keep you busy non the less. ill put a few pic of one of mine up in the coming weeks as it flowers :)

    Have fun!

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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    Good stuff. So, do they only flower once theyre old enough to reach the fruit bearing stage? Let us know how it goes.

    My mate is planning to trim his tree back and get some shape to it, get rid of all the scrubby little branches...was pretty difficult getting into it to get at cherries on the inside. Seeing how much fruit we got off it...Im going to have to design a mechanical processing set up, thered be too much fruit off the hedge I am planning to do it all by hand.

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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    3- 4 years till a plant usually flowers. In some cases you can buy the coffee plants that have sat around nurserys for that long and they will flower the year after you plant them.

    Really good conditions can bring the flowering stage forward a year but generally i wouldnt expect flowers till the 3rd year after planting seedlings.

    Trimming will encourage new growth and that new growth will yield more fruit than the older growth. Wait till around 2 month after the trees have been stripped of the fruit before trimming though for best results.

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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    My trees have just survived their 3rd winter and are now about 2.5 years old.
    Theyre about 4 feet high now (started out about 6 inches).
    If I dont see any flowers this Spring/Summer Ill keep my fingers crossed for next year.

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    Sounds good TG. I would have thought that they flower autumn/winter (this only based on the fact that my mates tree is bearing fruit now - I could be mistaken on this though) Good luck with the tree mate.

    Ive found out that I can get exact identification from the Qld Herbarium, will be taking a sample in later next week to have them check it out.

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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    What do they need for a sample?
    Just a leaf?

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    Just a branch with some leaves and fruit....flowers would have been most excellent, but there are none, naturally. Im not sure what they do...pass it through a botanic spectrometer, mayhap? :-?

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    [QUOTE=75797C68717D6A6A7D282E180 link=1251367805/2#2 date=1251371440]Yeah TG, twas a labour intensive but enjoyable process. I just put the ripe cherries in a bucket, and used a piece of board, about 15mm thick, about 8 inches wide, and just pulped em.

    i was interested in your pulping method. ive tried all sorts of stuff and never worked out a successful method. last year i got about 18kg off my four trees and squeezed every cherry by hand - that added up to a lot of tv and videos. this year maybe ill have another go at the old bucket and 4x2. the trouble is there is still a lot of squelching through the unmentionable soggy mass to retrieve all the beans.
    next step - invent a small, home-sized pulper that separated the beans from the cherries.

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    Tony, I poured water into the bucket and just sieved my fingers through to remove the pulp and stuff instead...still time consuming as there were still some cherries which had to be popped, but not that bad. As far as retrieving the beans, you ever tried to grab onto one of them little suckers...they are very slippery, which is addressed when you ferment the beans. With the amount of beans I had, I did it in three lots......otherwise the pulpng wouldnt be as effective with a large amount in the bucket.

    Ive been looking at some mechanical solution to the above processes.....maybe a mincer type set up for the pulping, a moving process would be best so that the pulp and skin could be sieved off as you go, its highly likely that this could be water intensive as well.

    The other big ticket item is something to remove the parchment...at the very least, a hard interwoven mesh that I could grate the beans against to work off the parchment, as this is the other very labour intensive aspect of the process.

    Once I get my hedge in, the hand process would be too much, so Ive probably got about 3 - 4 years to figure out and build my toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3B3732263F332424336660560 link=1251367805/23#23 date=1252730318
    The other big ticket item is something to remove the parchment...at the very least, a hard interwoven mesh that I could grate the beans against to work off the parchment, as this is the other very labour intensive aspect of the process.
    for hulling i use a food blender. i was reluctant to do it for a number of years and rubbed my fingers to the bone, but i found that actually the blender *doesnt smash up the beans much at all and is really fast and painless.

    as for pulping, i thought some kind of mesh might help, with bean-sized holes and a rolling pin arrangement. not perfect, but four trees makes for a lot of squeezing by hand. ill have a go at making one soon before the heavy picking gets under way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7269687F72060 link=1251367805/24#24 date=1252838410
    Quote Originally Posted by 3B3732263F332424336660560 link=1251367805/23#23 date=1252730318
    The other big ticket item is something to remove the parchment...at the very least, a hard interwoven mesh that I could grate the beans against to work off the parchment, as this is the other very labour intensive aspect of the process.
    for hulling i use a food blender. i was reluctant to do it for a number of years and rubbed my fingers to the bone, but i found that actually the blender *doesnt smash up the beans much at all and is really fast and painless.

    as for pulping, i thought some kind of mesh might help, with bean-sized holes and a rolling pin arrangement. not perfect, but four trees makes for a lot of squeezing by hand. ill have a go at making one soon before the heavy picking gets under way.

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    The link I posed earlier suggests using a blender with plastic blades....I could see that working, but once this current batch is dried Ill give em a shot in the blender I have at home.

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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    Taste time. We had two coffees, first one as a latte with grind setting on 10. Too tight, had trouble getting a pour. A muddy looking finish in the cup. Not a lot of crema. Tasted ok, almost getting to a charcoal like hint through the milk.

    Maybe this is not surprising given that when roasted, it was all over in about 10 mins and I think it may have slipped through too far and burnt the beans a touch.

    Second shot, dialled grind setting out to 13. The following shots are the result.


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    Re: Home processing from tree to cup....

    We decided to just hit the deep end and go espresso this time......


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    A nicer crema this time, and was again not distasteful. A little woody, with a spicy finish. There was a smoothness across the middle of the palate trying to get through, I reckon this could be a very nice coffee in the making.

    There were some defects in the process which will have had some impact on the final product...was 2 or 3 days between picking and pulping. I looked in hindsight and feel that they may also not have been dried to where they should have been.

    The short roast, whilst not necessarily a defect in the process, is sure to have played some part. That remains to be seen, well see whata happens with the next batch (bearing in mind that there was only 100gm of green). This time around Ill look to catch it before it gets into SC.

    Am happy with how it went, I reckon theres a very nice coffee in this wanting to get out. Ill have enough beans next time to have more of a play with it, should get about around 300gm or so of roasted going off the comparitive quantities.


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    All we could get regards to i.d. of tree...its arabica. ::)

    Going off info Ive been looking at around the place, Luca might be close to the money calling it at least coming from the Mundo Novo lineage. Small rounded beans, tree gets to be a good size with plenty of cherries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 434F4A5E474B5C5C4B1E182E0 link=1251367805/2#2 date=1251371440
    Yeah TG, twas a labour intensive but enjoyable process. I just put the ripe cherries in a bucket, and used a piece of board, about 15mm thick, about 8 inches wide, and just pulped em.

    I have a number of oleanders at the front of my place which I have been planning to remove, was looking for a potential replacement...looks like I may have found it. *:D A dozen coffee trees *as a hedge *8-)

    I havent seen my mates tree so dont know the size of it....but this was the crop from one tree....

    Here is a link to home processing I found quite helpful

    http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/horticulture/5471.html
    MP..

    I need to catch up and get a seedling or two..

    Looking to replace my lilly pilly trees / hedge and I recon... Coffee trees might be teh go.. Now is teh time to plant...

    So drop me a PM..

    Who knows with all the home growing and processing going on... Might require a new Topic of it own..

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    No worries mate, will send PM shortly. I have a few Byron Bay Red seedlings, and a few from the tree described in this thread. The one which ranked equal 2nd at the Coffee Snobs Kent Rd Cup of Excellence cupping session earlier this month 8-) They freaked me out when the seeds germinated and came up curved over before the bean itself appeared like some alien emerging from the seed raising mix, and a couple have started changing to the leaf.

    Dan helped me out with why the beans are maybe such small ones...it sounds as if they have simply been starved of love and water. My mate has never really sought to help it out in any way, it has simply been allowed to grow under its own steam.



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