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    Hi all, bean ( pun intended) busy playing with my 6910 / 480 combo and Ive got it happening pretty well. My question is, what should a good shot taste like ? Even though my extraction looks great to me, and tastes great when milk is added, the shot itself tastes like
    what I imagine arse would taste like. Its foul, bitter and totally spit worthy. Yes my beans are fresh/ good quality and from two different suppliers. Could someone enlighten me ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69687F7F646168750D0 link=1257140959/0#0 date=1257140959
    Hi all, bean ( pun intended) busy playing with my 6910 / 480 combo and Ive got it happening pretty well. My question is, what should a good shot taste like ? Even though my extraction looks great to me, and tastes great when milk is added, the shot itself tastes like
    what I imagine arse would taste like. Its foul, bitter and totally spit worthy. Yes my beans are fresh/ good quality and from two different suppliers. Could someone enlighten me ?

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    Where in Brisbane *with that machine / grinder *it is often PEBGAF *;)

    Some beans are more suited to a milk drink and others can be ok for either..

    However in many cases if ya beans are OK... It will come down to your machine settings and your method...

    It is a balancing act and 2 + 2 = 5 where coffee matters.

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    I agree, but what should a good shot taste like ? I mean, if what Im producing pre milk is considered good, then the people who drink it straight are not quite right in the head IMO. Should you be able to hold it in your mouth without sqinting and then taste a foul bitterness for the rest of the day or should it coat the inside of your mouth like velvet chocolate and have you gagging for more ? Or is it just an aquired taste ? ;D

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    It is definitely an aquired taste, the very best thing you could do is taste a good shot, go to Dibella, or Venezianos and taste one, you might find that you just dont like them, i never used to like em, i gradually used less and less milk and then straight shots! yum yum, still love my latte/\/ but nothing better than a couple o shots on a sunday reading the paper! but you need a base level to aim for, other wise your changing variables without knowing where you want or need *to go or change.

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    ps remember everyones taste and likes/dislikes are different, making it difficult to spell out what a shot "should" taste like, then theres different beans, different roast profiles, different...........it goes on and on and on................thats why we love it! ;D

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    sounds like a plan. Im using di bella beans at the moment. Im doing the sunbeam coffee school on Saturday so that would be as good a place as any to taste a good shot. At least, even if I still think its foul, Ill know whats good and whats bad. But if my brew tastes good now ( with a foul straight shot ) it can only get better with a good one eh . :D

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    Thats the spirit! Where is the sunbeam cse being held? Remember Di Bella and Veneziano are site sponsors and care deeply about what comes out of their machines, they are both roasters obviously too, with several awards under their belt, now thats a target on which to set you sights!

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    For me, a good straight shot is a bit like a square of 70% dark chocolate.

    Sweet, pungent, bitter, coats the tongue, gives flavour/smell to each exhale, and often has overtones of cognac, vanilla, or sometimes even rose petals, or dried cherries.

    I do know people who eat only milk chocolate and gag at eating dark. Not me though.

    That said, the Ethiopian Kuza I had tonight did have equal quantities of shot and steamed milk, and was great.

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    like greg says, generally sweet is the dominant profile balanced out by a nice bit of bitterness

    even then it depends on the blend, or SO if youre going that direction

    maybe try cutting your shot a bit shorter closer to a ristretto to start with if you want to start having shots, I find if I let mine go a bit far and start blonding ill notice more bitterness than id like

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    Sorry guys, been doing bloody business paper work.

    The sunbeam coffee school is in the valley at the Campos Coffee shop ( good beans those )

    Crikey GregWormald, all that from one little bean ! Chocolate in all forms, bring it on. ;)

    Thanks for the advice everyone, Ill let know how the course goes.

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    Whats a good shot taste like?
    Thats a difficult question with so many variables.
    Id say, get your grind and extraction right and change your beans according to the taste you like.
    Some beans have a more acidic after taste, some have chocolate after taste , some fruity, but it all depends on what you like.
    Most importantly, is to get your coffee pouring like honey and golden crema.

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    All this talk has got me gagging for a shot of Waghi! work sux :(

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    yep work sux but working for yourself eases the pain big time. Do what I want, when I want and most importantly come home and make a brew when I want. Sweet as ;D

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 414057574C49405D250 link=1257140959/11#11 date=1257206245
    yep work sux but working for yourself eases the pain big time. Do what I want, when I want and most importantly come home and make a brew when I want. Sweet as *;D
    I work from a home office and I only need to walk a few meters ;D for a PNG Wahgi
    In fact I just made one & sipping while posting 8-)

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    just came home for a long ( 2 brew ) lunch. machine warming up. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 777661617A7F766B130 link=1257140959/13#13 date=1257216544
    just came home for a long ( 2 brew ) lunch. machine warming up. ;)
    That would be nice but it takes me a little more than an hour just to commute between home and work :(

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    Here is my suggestion for tasting a good shot...

    First of all if your not already pulling double shots then start now but do so by ending the shot a bit early before the blonding gets near the good stuff.

    Secondly i would suggest using equal amounts of stretched milk and espresso. THEN.. just work your way down to very little milk and then none. I remember my 1st short black and i also remember trying not to wash my mouth out after so as not to insult anyone.

    Its not something that is easy to get used to straight away especially if your a white with 2 sort of person.

    But its the natural progression for a coffee snob to end up at around the doppio restretto picollo latte stage.


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    sorry Luke G, I have no intention of ending up drinking short blacks. Its not that they may not agree with my pallete,but the experience is over too soon. ;D Good excuse to make another straight way though. Call me narrow minded, but the humble flat white does me just fine.......... for now

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C7D6A6A71747D60180 link=1257140959/0#0 date=1257140959
    what I imagine arse would taste like. Its foul, bitter and totally spit worthy

    ROLFMAO

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    I thought you were offended at first runfast, then I googled ROLFMAO and was ROLFMAO myself. ;D

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F4E595942474E532B0 link=1257140959/16#16 date=1257246929
    sorry Luke G, I have no intention of ending up drinking short blacks. Its not that they may not agree with my pallete,but the experience is over too soon. *;D Good excuse to make another straight way though. Call me narrow minded, but the humble flat white does me just fine.......... for now
    For me the progression to short blacks came when I started to roast. The progression from suger came with my silvia. I now drink them 90% of the time at home. I drink them 5% of the time when im out as most of the time short blacks are a high risk beverage.
    Find a cafe that serves di bella and have a short black as a comparison.

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 556C727C465E190 link=1257140959/15#15 date=1257237501
    Here is my suggestion for tasting a good shot...

    First of all if your not already pulling double shots then start now but do so by ending the shot a bit early before the blonding gets near the good stuff.

    Secondly i would suggest using equal amounts of stretched milk and espresso. THEN.. just work your way down to very little milk and then none. I remember my 1st short black and i also remember trying not to wash my mouth out after so as not to insult anyone.

    Its not something that is easy to get used to straight away especially if your a white with 2 sort of person.

    But its the natural progression for a coffee snob to end up at around the doppio restretto picollo latte stage.
    I hear what you say Luke but dont agree with all of your points.
    Ive been drinking and enjoy in espresso in its many forms for over 40 years and have always preferred it with a small amount of sugar, on the other hand SWMBO, also a coffee addict prefers it without, so as far as the sugar no sugar debate is concerned were all different as are our palates and preferences, there is no right and wrong, lets face it most Italians (originators of espresso) will use sugar.
    I agree in part with your statement re double shots, however in the AM my drink of choice is a long black (double shot with half a teaspoon of sugar) mid afternoon a double espresso (half teaspoon of sugar) evening Cappuccino, once again with sugar, so what does this mean, should I be stood against a wall and shot for offending the coffee gods? of course not, it simply means Im an individual and as such differ from others, if someone wants to enjoy double shots from a jam tin with a tablespoon of Splenda thats fine by me.
    Why do so many coffee snobs feel the need to mount an evangelical crusade to enlighten the coffee drinking world as to the correct way to do things (I suspect a lot of these fundamentalist zealots are recent converts anyway)
    As far as your statement (Its not something that is easy to get used to straight away especially if your a white with 2 sort of person) Im not a white with 2 sort of person, never have been, and I dont want to get used to drinking espresso without sugar, I like it fine with a little sweetness, so you drink yours straight and Ill continue to enjoy mine the way I like it.
    (natural progression for a coffee snob to end up at around the doppio restretto picollo latte stage) nothing natural about it, simply your experience (and thats fair enough) but not everyone is wired the same as you.
    Suggestions as to how coffee should be prepared/enjoyed are fine, but statement such as unless you prepare/drink it this way you simply dont get it are off putting to people who are new to espresso and trying to make some sense of the coffee experience.
    Were all individuals and thank goodness for that, vive la différence.

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5E5F484853565F423A0 link=1257140959/0#0 date=1257140959
    My question is, what should a good shot taste like ?
    Quote Originally Posted by 764F515F657D3A0 link=1257140959/15#15 date=1257237501
    Here is my suggestion for tasting a good shot
    Nowhere in my post did i say that your not doing it properly if done otherwise and nowhere in my post did i have a cheap go at people who DO drink it otherwise. If people didnt drink it otherwise, i wouldnt have a job!

    Quote Originally Posted by 635F564E5B3A0 link=1257140959/22#22 date=1257285577
    lets face it most Italians (originators of espresso) will use sugar.
    The "espresso" machine was actually designed and used by the French some 70 years before the Italians patened the design for commercial use in the late 1800s...As far as most Italians using sugar in there espresso i would say thats because of the amount of Robusta used in the blends(up to 40%) as well as how dark they roast it.

    I will however change my view on the "natural progression" comment i made. While not a natural progression for most "home barista"s, its more people in the industry that end up enjoying short drinks and black drinks and i would say thats probably due to the lack of time needed to sit there and sip a cafe latte, which is why the espresso machine was designed in the first place.

    For the 10 years i have been a barista i have traveled from mugs of flat white with 2 sugars to short blacks, piccolos and dopio lattes. When i dont have time(work) i drink short drinks and when i do have time at home i often have milk.

    The point i guess i was trying to make was... you need to taste what your making. Having a shot at Di Bella is an indacation of what a good shot should taste like but its not what your ever going to taste out a a Sunbeam.

    derrilex ... You say you have no intention of drinking short blacks but you want to know what a good one tastes like? telling a good one from a bad one should be based on comparing a few shots against each other or at least tasting enough shots to have got the taste for a good one and a bad one.
    I know the Sunbeam em6910 i had a few years back had problems pulling nice shots. They always seemed to smell burnt. Diluted with milk you could barely notice though. From the amount of phone calls i made to them in regars to that machine im sure they have looked into it...i see they changed the steam wand tip :)

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    Re: whats a good shot taste like ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0D342A241E06410 link=1257140959/23#23 date=1257292008
    Quote Originally Posted by 5E5F484853565F423A0 link=1257140959/0#0 date=1257140959
    My question is, what should a good shot taste like ?
    Quote Originally Posted by 764F515F657D3A0 link=1257140959/15#15 date=1257237501
    Here is my suggestion for tasting a good shot
    Nowhere in my post did i say that your not doing it properly if done otherwise and nowhere in my post did i have a cheap go at people who DO drink it otherwise. If people didnt drink it otherwise, i wouldnt have a job!

    Quote Originally Posted by 635F564E5B3A0 link=1257140959/22#22 date=1257285577
    lets face it most Italians (originators of espresso) will use sugar.
    The "espresso" machine was actually designed and used by the French some 70 years before the Italians patened the design for commercial use in the late 1800s...As far as most Italians using sugar in there espresso i would say thats because of the amount of Robusta used in the blends(up to 40%) as well as how dark they roast it.

    I will however change my view on the "natural progression" comment i made. While not a natural progression for most "home barista"s, its more people in the industry that end up enjoying short drinks and black drinks and i would say thats probably due to the lack of time needed to sit there and sip a cafe latte, which is why the espresso machine was designed in the first place.

    For the 10 years i have been a barista i have traveled from mugs of flat white with 2 sugars to short blacks, piccolos and dopio lattes. When i dont have time(work) i drink short drinks and when i do have time at home i often have milk.

    The point i guess i was trying to make was... you need to taste what your making. Having a shot at Di Bella is an indacation of what a good shot should taste like but its not what your ever going to taste out a a Sunbeam.

    derrilex ... You say you have no intention of drinking short blacks but you want to know what a good one tastes like? telling a good one from a bad one should be based on comparing a few shots against each other or at least tasting enough shots to have got the taste for a good one and a bad one.
    I know the Sunbeam em6910 i had a few years back had problems pulling nice shots. They always seemed to smell burnt. Diluted with milk you could barely notice though. From the amount of phone calls i made to them in regars to that machine im sure they have looked into it...i see they changed the steam wand tip :)
    Fair enough Luke, I was talking in general terms, did not mean to offend you.
    I will bow to your superior knowledge re the origins of espresso, I had assumed it was uniquely Italian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso
    Got to admit I like my beans roasted on the dark side and guess thats why I tend to use a small amount of sugar to smooth things out, on the other hand I tried a number of shots last week from a premium roaster in Adelaide, all Arabica and all medium roast, still found I preferred them with sugar, have contemplated ordering some green Robusta and blending them to experience the difference.
    I can see your reasoning regarding short drinks and time constraints for people in the industry, unlike us retirees who do have time to stop and smell the roses.
    Didnt mean to wind you up, just like a little animated discussion.

    Cheers,

    Jon. :)

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    All is well Jon :)

    I have been known for accidently winding people up around here too. Were just passionate people ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4B726C625840070 link=1257140959/25#25 date=1257294961
    All is well Jon :)

    I have been known for accidently winding people up around here too. Were just passionate people ;)
    Its one of those subjects aint it? :)



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