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    The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

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    As you may know, its been quite a wet week for Sydney. I have been having an awful time dialling in my coffee. I am using a 4 day old blend from a reputable roaster in Sydney. With minimal movements on my mazzer mini I either get a gusher which tastes like dishwater or a complete choke.

    Also of interest, I usually weigh my beans and my double basket normally takes between 18-20g of coffee to give the right puck height. Today the same weight is creating an overdose effect effectively taking up more volume in the basket. I know the weight doesnt correlate with the volume in the basket and previously a post by Greg Wormald has enlightened me to look at volume and grind and tamp relationship, not just the weight of the beans.

    I have resorted to underdosing a finer grind, but still not perfect. I guess thats what you should expect if using a living breathing natural product like coffee!

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A6D66666D7C7C080 link=1274833201/0#0 date=1274833201
    I guess thats what you should expect if using a living breathing natural product like coffee!
    Arr Grasshopper... You are starting to awake..

    The rain; like many variables has an impact and can open ones experiences, but only if one is not of a closed mind..

    I wonder how may coffee shops adjusted they grind / dose to become one with teh elements... Or do they remain closed and use brute force to keep moving :o


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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 5E71787A6D527E717E787A727A716B1F0 link=1274833201/1#1 date=1274833876
    The rain; like many variables has an impact and can open ones experiences
    Living in a humid climate in Queensland (albeit not in the tropical north) you must be an expert at constantly adjusting the grind AM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 61666D6D667777030 link=1274833201/2#2 date=1274834534
    Quote Originally Posted by 5E71787A6D527E717E787A727A716B1F0 link=1274833201/1#1 date=1274833876
    The rain; like many variables has an impact and can open ones experiences
    Living in a humid climate in Queensland (albeit not in the tropical north) you must be an expert at constantly adjusting the grind AM?
    Na.. The franchise people beat that out of me... *One size fits all *;D *I mean where else can one get consistent coffee ?

    I just do not practice what I preach *;D :D :o

    Only kidding...

    A good van operator I once had the pleasure of spending a day with (silent Audit) 6:00am to 2:30pm

    A: Chemical clean in effect 2 if not 3 times..

    B: Adjust grind at start of run and then again after an hr into it... Temp of outside and teh build up in the rear of teh van...

    C: In all I watched him taste some where between 3 and 5 shots over the run and on that day adjusted teh gring about 4 times.

    D: At the end of the run.. Left over beans were dumped and teh hopper cleaned... He commented that the issue was that he only had access to 1kg bagged beans and that towards the end of a day.. Judging how much to dump was an issue due to teh cost..

    I asked about re bagging..

    His comment was it depends on how long they had been in teh hopper.. In addition his most critical clients were first thing in the morning...

    He was one of teh few Operators that I have seen and experienced that had a true focus on Quality.. However while he was doing OK... More outfits moved in and while some left and cam back... Many just opted for a few cents less and more sugar..

    I understand he sold and moved inter state.... Twas a shame, as good coffee from med quality beans...

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    No problems here, and its pissing down like anything.

    Herein lies the problems with updosing. No margin for error when its humid/rainy.

    Time to practice your wet-driving skills.

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A54535862525B62495558627F585C533D0 link=1274833201/4#4 date=1274836103
    Time to practice your wet-driving skills.
    Now Im wishing I had bought a machine with ABS brakes. Or better still, attended a defensive driving course. *;D

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E6962626978780C0 link=1274833201/5#5 date=1274837339

    Now Im wishing I had bought a machine with ABS brakes. Or better still, attended a defensive driving course. *;D
    Judging from what happens in Melbourne during wet weather, the best defense is outright offense....

    It can be effing scary on wet days, and Im a local!

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    I had a laugh its still raining.....

    bennet are you storing beans in one way valve bags?
    i only take out 1 - 2 shots at a time and push the air back out of the bag and that minimizes the humidity issues for me (still always adjusting anyway as bean age etc)

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Snap to Nunu. Strangely, my best shots occur when it rains (I have a MM too). I used to add a shots worth of beans to the hopper at a time but now I dump the whole bag in and get a better grind for it. Im happily adjusting to ambient conditions and have learned to open the grinder a notch or two on more humid days.

    This morning was the first shot of a batch of Gambella which almost choked my Giotto but unless but I have rarely had to abort a pour. But I rarely use a bean before it has rested for at least a week.

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 48444D404049250 link=1274833201/7#7 date=1274847997
    bennet are you storing beans in one way valve bags?
    yeah i do, and in the coolest part of the house. It might have just been a bit of bad luck this morning. i just seemed to get complete opposite shots (choker to gusher) just by moving the dial on the MM a tiny bit. ill try again tonight.

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 43444F4F445555210 link=1274833201/0#0 date=1274833201
    As you may know, its been quite a wet week for Sydney.
    I stood in the rain at work for 8 hours today.
    loving my current job. *[smiley=thumbdown.gif] *:-/


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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Why do you people winge about rain?

    We would love to have more regular rain here...

    You really should be a little bit more grateful for what you get you know... ::)

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    I love rain, when its not accompanied by cold. ;D

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Rain + Cold = Snow


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    Only one way to fix the grind on an unexpected humid or wet day get chunky with it and reduce the weight ;)

    Weight is a good general guide to maintain consistancy when you grind at a similar setting on the same bean. Dose volume and finished puck height (just under the screen) that gets the correct result during the pour is what I look at particularly with the lever machines.

    The other way to go is drop your dose a bit at the old (now to fine) grind but try a much lighter Tamp. I am doing this on the Pav at the minute and the results are really good. My current Tamp pressure is a couple of kgs at most. Worth the experiment I reckon but trying to maintain consistancy is another challenge again.

    Had a shocker day a while back, we did 7 or 8 kg for the day while the Humidity went from 30-98% then back again, Temps from 15-30ish :D Grinders were being changed constantly for the whole day. Air-conditioned shops at 21 degrees and constant humidity have it easier.

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    All was good today. I have resumed normal transmission. Two good pours this morning with my usual routine.
    Interestingly Sydney is a lot drier today with less humidity. I rang the roaster yesterday to find out
    if they had a batch problem with my particular roast, and they too were having problems and about
    to throttle the grinder!!

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    I love the Norwegian motto, "Theres no such thing as bad weather, just bad preparation". :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 133D30323A0E163E3D35510 link=1274833201/16#16 date=1274919610
    I love the Norwegian motto, "Theres no such thing as bad weather, just bad preparation".
    Man, Ive been getting hammered on this thread! OK I admit, its my fault, Im not blaming the rain merely making an observation regarding the weather. I guess its opened my eyes to prepare better for it. *:-X

    It is made worse if you buy roasted beans (500g/fortnight) and have to sink 2,3,or 4 shots just to get it right for your morning double, only for everything to change 5 minutes later and make further adjustments again.

    I know, I know such is the life of a CS, if you dont like it buy a nespresso *;D

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Well if the roaster is having the same problem then it cant be all your fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26363A3A21340A323439550 link=1274833201/11#11 date=1274875765
    Why do you people winge about rain?
    Seconded.

    I was sick in bed all day yesterday so the rain wasnt an issue for me.

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    Its a miserable day in Perth and Im loving it, gave me an excuse to have the day off work and head into Subiaco and savour an Ethiopian Nekisse syphon brew plus a couple of killer espresso at Spring Espresso.
    Thus I turned a winters day into Springtime ;) :) :D :D :D

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    The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Gotta LOVE this affirmation.
    Its such things that keep me in business and coffee paraphernalia.
    Keep up the good work! ;D

    Greg (the psychotherapist)

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    Well there is a link between serotonin levels and depression associated with limited sunlight (esp. in Scandinavian countries in winter), and somewhat related to extended cloudy/rainy periods.

    I think this has less to do with Bennets serotonin levels and more to do with the caffeine levels in his bloodstream running low.

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    OT--Strangely enough there is no link between serotonin levels and depression!!! It was all just an assumption that has never been proven.

    The newer anti-depressants (none of which work better than placebo!!) dont even affect serotonin.

    Anyway, its all good. Its how I can afford such nice toys! If anti-depressants worked, Id be out of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 17292E251F2F261F3428251F0225212E400 link=1274833201/22#22 date=1274959598
    Well there is a link between serotonin levels and depression associated with limited sunlight (esp. in Scandinavian countries in winter), and somewhat related to extended cloudy/rainy periods.
    Quote Originally Posted by 07322527172F322D212C24400 link=1274833201/23#23 date=1274960232
    OT--Strangely enough there is no link between serotonin levels and depression!!! It was all just an assumption that has never been proven.
    The more likely culprit as recent research is showing is a vitamin D deficiency. Such a deficiency has been found to be much more prevalent than previously realized. Especially during the winter months among those living between 35 degrees latitude and the poles. Current research is showing that a vitamin D deficiency can cause a lot more problems than previously recognized. With one of the problems that is now being recognized being depression. Sometime later this year you can expect to hear from various health agencies around the world an announcement of a new recommended daily dosage level of Vitamin D. At this point it is appearing that the new dosage will be double the current one and possibly even higher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 143F283F2E3637323B5E0 link=1274833201/24#24 date=1274972594
    Quote Originally Posted by 17292E251F2F261F3428251F0225212E400 link=1274833201/22#22 date=1274959598
    Well there is a link between serotonin levels and depression associated with limited sunlight (esp. in Scandinavian countries in winter), and somewhat related to extended cloudy/rainy periods.
    Quote Originally Posted by 07322527172F322D212C24400 link=1274833201/23#23 date=1274960232
    OT--Strangely enough there is no link between serotonin levels and depression!!! It was all just an assumption that has never been proven.
    The more likely culprit as recent research is showing is a vitamin D deficiency. Such a deficiency has been found to be much more prevalent than previously realized. Especially during the winter months among those living between 35 degrees latitude and the poles. Current research is showing that a vitamin D deficiency can cause a lot more problems than previously recognized. With one of the problems that is now being recognized being depression. Sometime later this year you can expect to hear from various health agencies around the world an announcement of a new recommended daily dosage level of Vitamin D. At this point it is appearing that the new dosage will be double the current one and possibly even higher.


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    This explains a lot, our obsession with suncancer and not getting exposed to the sun directly coincides with our younger generation being a bunch of self-obsessed, overweight, whiny, apathetic whingers ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 516176647E727D130 link=1274833201/25#25 date=1275015457
    our obsession with suncancer and not getting exposed to the sun directly coincides with our younger generation being a bunch of self-obsessed, overweight, whiny, apathetic whingers
    Coincides it may, though I would have thought a more likely cause to be parenting qualities, not sunlight exposure. ;)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 537279797E64170 link=1274833201/26#26 date=1275021010
    I would have thought a more likely cause to be parenting qualities, not sunlight exposure.
    Rain or not... Parenting qualities is rather subjective.. *In fact is totaly subjective and some what biased by Culture and narrow minds...

    The output; may well be influenced but by no means, do the parenting *qualities have a deciding say. *Unless ya lock them up and keep them 100% isolated.. *Good or bad parenting quality ? Depends on where ya stand.

    To add insult to those trying to do the best they can in a world that changes too fast.... *Are the narrow minded ones, who so proudly *state " In my day " . *

    Sorry; long gone; the world has moved on and about time they did..


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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    the sun tried to come out in SYD today :)

    hope your dams / tanks / winter crops are full and your kids are not fat.........

    but i was hoping for some sun so i can laze around in the warmth :)

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    The rain will be back Sunday...Well need to rename it Rainday.

    Get your grinder adjustments ready...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 676B626F6F660A0 link=1274833201/28#28 date=1275029026
    hope your dams / tanks / winter crops are full and your kids are not fat.........
    The rain has come a bit late for some of us out here...it was looking too dry to even plant anything and the promise of rain (ie the long range forecast) was not indicating anything. What were getting now and have had this week may give me some winter grass I hope. Others will have planted on the chance it may have rained or if they had water to irrigate with and Im hoping that they will get a great winter crop...not only will this rain keep their crops alive but our town as well...

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    no sun in SYD today :(

    I dont know if it means I had +-12 inchs here this week, but went down the side of the house and emptied an old plastic garbage bin I use for green waste.

    it was about 30cm - 12" deep in the bin............. :o
    (nothing else in there except water)

    hope the north / west / east / south of OZ got there share.....
    in reality its been great rain, slow & steady etc just a PITA to dry the clothes....

    the grass in my small yard is so water logged that i am considering some sort of drainage......... >:(

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    Re: The Rain is driving me MAD!!!

    Back to my original topic. I have had no further problems, despite the intermittent rain in Sydney. I have come to the conclusion that it was a combination of using only 4 day old beans and the extreme weather on Wednesday and my inexperience in accommodating for this. Now the beans are a week old they seem quite stable and steady and responsive to subtle changes in grind. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6F6863636879790D0 link=1274833201/32#32 date=1275097022
    Back to my original topic. I have had no further problems, despite the intermittent rain in Sydney. I have come to the conclusion that it was a combination of using only 4 day old beans and the extreme weather on Wednesday and my inexperience in accommodating for this. Now the beans are a week old they seem quite stable and steady and responsive to subtle changes in grind. *:)
    Once the beans are roasted, the major hydration changes will happen as they are exposed to the moist air, until all has roughly equalized. Id guess a few days exposure would take care of it.

    I once had some roasted beans sent from humid Canberra to dry Adelaide, and they ground at completely different settings than the local roasts for several days, gradually moving to the settings I usually use.

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