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    Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

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    I have a Sunbeam Cafe Series that I bought recently and Ive noticed that the extraction is 10 seconds, the coffee isnt bitter or burnt either and Ive looked out for all the signs that says "BAD COFFEE!" that I was taught in a Barista course.

    Ive tried using less or more grinded bean but its still 10 seconds (Even tho the manual says a good extraction is 30ML in 25-30 seconds but the machine doesnt actually do it) and the flow of the extraction seems fine... everything seems fine... so I think its the machine.

    I then tried to set up a program setting for 25 seconds but I cant control the water so I end up with way more than 30ML.......... help needed :)

    Im new to all this and I hope to learn alot more. I have gone through so many jobs/careers and I feel this is the career choice I want to do. Its a dream of mine to open my own cafe, just need some expierence ;)

    So tips... anything.... is greatly appreciated ;D

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Hi Suga,

    Have a look at the DVD that came with your machine, it will explain the process.

    Look for the visual indicators of a quality shot with this machine:

    1.Infusion pause: (pause of approx 5-10 secs after pressing extraction button, before extraction appears from the spouts).

    2. Extraction: Shot should start by dripping for a few seconds, then forming a solid pour, directly down from the spouts.

    3. Colour: Dark chocolate/caramel.

    4. Blonding point: When the extraction lightens in colour to yellow/creamy & becomes watery in texture, stop the shot. This usually happens between 20-30ml in volume. Espresso shot= anywhere between 20-30ml.

    How to achieve this:

    Keep your dose the same always: check for solid coffee cookie. If cookie is soft or sloppy, dose more into your basket.

    Tamp with the same pressure always.

    Change your grind size if you need to speed up, or slow down your extraction rate. Coarser speeds up, finer slows down.


    As long as you are achieving this you are on your way to a grea shot!! If your extraction time is still only ten seconds, maybe check if your volumetrics need resetting, or better yet, use your manual pour button on the machine.

    One tip when programming your machine, is not to measure the water coming from the group head, rather, measure the volume of espresso. You will need a shot glass for this. Ensure your grind size is correct, the pack and lock in, extract and measure.

    Hope this helps,

    Wholeshotalove

    (Sydney Sunbeam Trainer) :)

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Are you grinding the beans yourself?
    Are they fresh?
    Are you using the single-walled or double-walled basket?
    Single basket or double basket?

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Four other vital points I forgot to mention... :o good job Thundergod.

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Quote Originally Posted by 796661626B7D66617A6F6261786B0E0 link=1298949815/1#1 date=1298952700
    Hi Suga,

    Have a look at the DVD that came with your machine, it will explain the process.

    Look for the visual indicators of a quality shot with this machine:

    1.Infusion pause: (pause of approx 5-10 secs after pressing extraction button, before extraction appears from the spouts).

    2. Extraction: Shot should start by dripping for a few seconds, then forming a solid pour, directly down from the spouts.

    3. Colour: Dark chocolate/caramel.

    4. Blonding point: When the extraction lightens in colour to yellow/creamy & becomes watery in texture, stop the shot. This usually happens between 20-30ml in volume. Espresso shot= anywhere between 20-30ml.

    How to achieve this:

    Keep your dose the same always: check for solid coffee cookie. If cookie is soft or sloppy, dose more into your basket.

    Tamp with the same pressure always.

    Change your grind size if you need to speed up, or slow down your extraction rate. Coarser speeds up, finer slows down.


    As long as you are achieving this you are on your way to a grea shot!! If your extraction time is still only ten seconds, maybe check if your volumetrics need resetting, or better yet, use your manual pour button on the machine.

    One tip when programming your machine, is not to measure the water coming from the group head, rather, measure the volume of espresso. You will need a shot glass for this. Ensure your grind size is correct, the pack and lock in, extract and measure.

    Hope this helps,

    Wholeshotalove

    (Sydney Sunbeam Trainer) :)

    Thanks for the information, everything you said I was doing.... I went over everything over and over again and just got more and more confused..... I was doing everything correctly on the machine so I had no idea what was going on.

    I went to RioCoffee Shop today to buy some beans and asked them what was happening and the guy said it could be the grind, AND IT WAS. I bought a measure cup, changed the grind (as he told me to) to a little bit finer and it came out perfectly!!! :-*

    had guests over tonight and they was jumping up and down about how tasty my coffee was. Love when that happens I had a laugh

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Quote Originally Posted by 172B362D272631242C27430 link=1298949815/2#2 date=1298962316
    Are you grinding the beans yourself?
    Are they fresh?
    Are you using the single-walled or double-walled basket?
    Single basket or double basket?
    Grinding myself, which WAS the problem.
    Fresh, yes!
    I mainly use double cos I make two coffees at once. I use single if making a single coffee.

    and what do you mean by this?

    Quote Originally Posted by 172B362D272631242C27430 link=1298949815/2#2 date=1298962316
    Are you using the single-walled or double-walled basket?
    Single basket or double basket?
    whats the difference between a wall-basket and a basket?

    Im a newbie at all this, been two weeks since the Barista course so I know I have lots to elarn :)

    While im here, I do have another question.

    My teacher said to always use a double basket and always press the button with the two cups even for a single. but doesnt that mean the single is getting a double shot? I was confused and still am!!!!

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Thanks both for your help and information by the way. greatly appreciated. ;D

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Presumably you are using the pressurised baskets that came with your machine, that is baskets with a double floor and a single little hole in the bottom. These are designed to give you fake crema regardless of stale beans, coarse grind, lack of tamping, etc but they limit what you can get out of your machine once you get all those things right.
    It sounds like youve got all that stuff right so you might want to either buy unpressurised baskets or drill that hole a little bigger, which is what I did with my sunbeam.* ::)
    I recommend the drilling if you can be bothered becuase the worst that can happen is you end up having to go and buy a basket (which you were gonna do anyway). Just keep the drill slow and dont drill too far.
    On the other hand the baskets arent too expensive if playing with power tools isnt your idea of fun.

    Conan

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F7066667C7674717C6D7A7B150 link=1298949815/5#5 date=1298999034
    nd what do you mean by this?
    There are two kinds of baskets as home to roast explained.

    Some Sunbeam machines come with 4 baskets, a single and a double of each kind.

    Look under the basket and hold it up to the light.
    If you see more than one hole its a single-walled one.
    These are best for using with fresh coffee.

    What is the model number of your machine?

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    Re: Extraction Question (Sunbeam Cafe Series Machine)

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    I use a single walled. My machine is the EM6910



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