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    Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Im wanting to buy some beans for espresso which would do best at a lower brew temp.
    This description is from a overseas site to help give a idea of what Im looking for

    Roast Level, Traditional Northern Italian(Full City+)
    Temperature 198-200 at the head


    Can anyone recommend beans preferably from a site sponsor which may be suitable. Please dont post the name of anyone not a sponsor.
    Any advice greatly appreciated.



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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    Im a bit confused Vic.

    Those temps youre quoting are about 92.5 to 93.5 Celsius which are pretty common, and dont think they would be considered low. So based on your current specs, Id think any good coffee would perform well.

    I did play around with the Elektra, and at times ran it as low as 89 degrees, which for my taste, can work well with very fresh coffee. The catch (and just my opinion) is that you lose body and balance.

    So you may find some suitable suggestions if you are able to describe the result you have in mind rather than the process?




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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    Thanks Dennis
    Im looking for a bean or most probably a blend most suitable for the Aurora lever machine.
    It has been stated by a user of one of these on a overseas forum and also by a lever specialist that the group tends to run cool. My experience with it is also the that group idles on the cool side. So rather than fight it by jacking up the pressurestat and extensively preheating the group a bean which liked a bit less temp could be the go.
    The couple of yellow lines in the original post are from the description of a blend used by the overseas user I thought that may have helped describe what Im after but maybe it didnt.
    Basically Im after a bean which doesnt like to run to hot, a couple of degrees cooler would suffice.
    Hope I have explained what Im after well enough.

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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    You could try some "fine" or "soft" coffees such as the better quality semi washed or pulp natural brazilians or perhaps some el salvadorian or nicaraguan origins, or maybe even something like a mexican "kassandra" and see what happens.

    But if you use origins like this which are really nice by themselves for what they are, you lose out on the benefits of blending something to add an overall balance of characters.

    Ultimately its up to you and your equipment.

    The main thing is to enjoy the journey* ;)

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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    Im sorry Attilo I didnt make my self clear. I meant I am seeking recommendations for professionally roasted beans either single origin or blends not green beans.
    Ted

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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    Ted, from my experience, blends seem to work better than SOs in a lever.

    What youre looking for is perhaps something like this: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1192703585/607

    Yes?

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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    Nova Dolce sounds good Dennis.
    I would need to try it to see if it suits the Aurora.
    The Aurora runs cool. I believe the group is the same as fitted to the dipper tube models but the Aurora single group dipper model has a larger boiler, my HX models boiler is only 5 litres, a smaller heat bank, plus the external feed pipe from the HX to the group mount chamber would result in heat loss, I believe the group runs cooler in my HX model than the dipper model, thats my theory. I suspect my Aurora would behave thermally different to your Faema neither one better than the other just different.
    So thats where Im coming from re a blend happier at a lower temp, I would like to try something that performs better at say 90-92 degrees rather than 92-94 degrees but I dont know if such a thing exists.
    As a bit of a footnote I have read from time to time that traditional Italian roasts prefer a lower brew temp also I recall a review of a machine where the reviewer commented on sour espresso saying he thought the machine was optimised for lower temp Italian blends.

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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    Just the comment that that sounds odd tyo me.....

    Generally any machines that are imported into this country but not "optimised" for our market but left as per Italian market spec run HOT. Most commercial blends in the Italian cafe market produced by large roasters with most of the turnover have a major proportion of robusta (I mean major.....).

    Just a thought.

    All my own equipment is set up to run no hotter than 92 and all my own blends are happy there. On occasion when I have bumped up the brew temp ( PID Junior Extra cupping machine) to see what happens I havent been happy but that could also be the effect of (psychological) deviation away from what you normally like....

    Ultimately all you can do is try stuff and see what you fiund that suits you ;)

    Regdz,
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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    My Faema is tricked up a little Ted, so can pretty much run it at whatever temp I like.

    It would be interesting to use a bead-type thermocouple in the group handle with an extraction or two and attached to a data logger so as to take some of the guess work out of what you think is happening.

    Dont agree with the take on Italian setups, or roast levels for that matter eg. historically north=very light, south=very dark.

    I dont believe any one coffee will create a god in the cup experience for you, though its far more likely to occur with variations of technique, dose, variations on grind, etc.


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    Re: Can anyone recommend beans suitable for lower brew temperature

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Ive been reading mainly overseas forum posts Dennis maybe their roasts are a bit different over there compared to ours, I dont know enough about the subject, my attempts with a HG/BM setup ended up with it being put out on the nature strip for the hard rubbish collection.
    This thread has been quite helpful as Ive continued with plan A, i.e. running the pressurestat high and getting the group temp up to 90 degrees, that seems to be the way to go.
    Thank you to all who conributed



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