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    New Home Barista Institute

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    Hey Guys,

    This place called the "*************" opened up a few months ago around the corner from my place, in *************************.

    They sound to be genuinely passionate about coffee, so there might be another location you can pick up advice, accessories, machines and also do courses.

    I dont really know the couple who run it, nor am I in any way affiliated with them.

    Ill see if I can pop in there for a coffee and a chat at some point.

    I wonder if they are CSers.... .... or maybe would love to join the ranks of our other fair CS sponsors.

    Anyone been there? Have any comments on it?

    cheers
    Lachlan

    Please do not provide Free Advertising for NON-Sponsors of the CS website. Next time the entire post will be deleted.
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    Yupz... Ive been there many times! I learnt all about coffee there in fact!
    They know their stuff! Talk to *****, he is the owner and trainer of the cafe!

    They offer Coffee Appreciation course for $45 and its the cheapest in the whole of Australia, perhaps.. I learnt almost everything there.. Its definitely worthwhile to try their coffee. Remember.. ask for *****!


    Jerome Chin

    As per my comments above.
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    Hmm.....we have a great training academy as a sponsor...staffed by professional and highly skilled people who bust their buns to provide excellence in education as well as feebie events and a whole heap of other opportunities for CSers....and instead the unknown institution which doesnt even (as far as I know) operate as an RTO gets the plug...and theyre not even a sponsor *>:( And yeah...it has been a very long day

    End of rant.....

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    Re: New Home Barista Institute

    now now now...

    I think said sponsoring training acadamy gets plenty of plugs and spotlight time here

    Share the love a little.. ;)

    Think of it this way; its another place spreading the gospel of good coffee which in and of itself increases the market for it.

    Not to mention it is actually a café itself that serves breakfast and such, so its somewhere you know will serve good coffee!

    Turn that frown upside down :)

    Lachlan



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    Re: New Home Barista Institute

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachlan link=1150935088/0#3 date=1151021579
    now now now...

    I think said sponsoring training acadamy gets plenty of plugs and spotlight time here

    Share the love a little.. ;)

    Think of it this way; its another place spreading the gospel of good coffee which in and of itself increases the market for it.

    Not to mention it is actually a café itself that serves breakfast and such, so its somewhere you know will serve good coffee!

    Turn that frown upside down :)

    Lachlan

    Im more than happy for the love to be shared around, but the site sponsors pay for the priviledge of being put in the spotlight and given plugs.
    It costs them money both in $$$, and in person hours, by answering our enquiries, questions and giving advice.
    I dont think that its too much to ask that we, as a community, look after the site sponsors, not only in an active sense by purchasing from them, but by not giving free advertising and plugs to other companies that would benefit, without them having to contribute to the site.
    I think that advertising that company X has the cheapest course in Australia would count as free advertising.

    Now that Ive gotten that off my chest.
    My frown has been turned upside down :)

    Spot on Lovey [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]. The name of the game is to support our Site Sponsors...... How do you think this site stays on the air, not via manna from heaven. Common guys and gals, get behind our sponsors and enough with the free-bees,
    Mal.

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    Re: New Home Barista Institute

    Thanks for the support, Lovey...Its nice to see that the countless hours of support- be it via email, here or by phone does not go unnoticed by all.

    A wise person once told me that if my cafe was a good one, Id be way too busy to have the time to roast my own....perhaps the same goes for training ;). One wonders what their core business is- cafe or teaching?

    The bottom line is that RTOs have accountablility and long-term reputation to consider....and you will often have to shell out a few more bucks to do a course at a RTO....BUT....you get you get the benefit of a trained educator who has industry experience and broad understanding of the industry...not just some dude who has a coffeeshop :-?.

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    Id also like to thank Lovey and Mal for the public support they have shown here, of CS Site Sponsors.

    Regardz,
    FC.

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    Well my original intent was not to post that this place has the cheapest or best anything but rather to find out if anyone had heard anything about it since it was around the corner from my place.

    I support site sponsors and dont really appreciate the post being sensored.

    Sponsors get prime position, banner ads and plenty of plugs from members. One teeny little post that will fade off the pages in a few days is hardly comparable.

    Lachlan

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    Re: New Home Barista Institute

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachlan link=1150935088/0#7 date=1151412090
    I support site sponsors and dont really appreciate the post being sensored.

    Lachlan
    If this forum is going to remain a valuable resource I believe it needs to be open and free to discuss any aspect of the coffee experience. If its forbidden to discuss any other company but those that advertise here then it will quickly lose relevance and credibility. Recently a post which made mention of another offering of green beans from another supplier was firstly edited to remove any reference to the other company and then deleted.

    Not trying to dis our valued sponsors who provide a great service (and have been very helpful to me with more than one issue) but even from a sponsors perspective they need to look at the big picture and realise the negative consequences of overt censorship and stifled discussion.


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    Re: New Home Barista Institute

    Quote Originally Posted by mauricem link=1150935088/0#8 date=1151416664
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachlan link=1150935088/0#7 date=1151412090
    I support site sponsors and dont really appreciate the post being sensored.

    Lachlan
    If this forum is going to remain *a valuable resource I believe it needs to be open and free to discuss any aspect of the coffee experience. If its forbidden to discuss any other company but those that advertise here then it will quickly lose relevance and credibility. Recently a post which made mention of another offering of green beans from another supplier was firstly edited to remove any reference to the other company and then deleted.

    Not trying to dis our valued *sponsors who provide *a great service (and have been very helpful to me with more than one issue) but even from a *sponsors perspective they need to look at the big picture and realise the negative consequences of overt censorship and stifled discussion.
    To those who have followed and read this thread, I refer you to the site sales and posting policy..http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1115338528 and suggest that you take the time to read it. *:-? I quote Andy when he wrote:

    "CoffeeSnobs has a policy of no commercial postings unless authorised by the admin team.
    This includes:
    Forum Posts
    Signatures
    Commercial Websites in Member Profiles


    We have some great official sponsors listed on the forum front page and these guys have a right to be protected in the forum.

    Links to ebay ads or other similar off-site promotion to any sales related material are not welcome here. *If you would like to be included in the “Official Sponsor” list please contact me. "


    Nothing has changed here since Andy took over the administration of this site....

    This site wouldnt exist were it not for sponsors and so many others who provide their time and expertise for free....Who do you reckon pays the bills?? Alternately youd be buying beans from one of the other sites at perhaps $20 per kilo. Cmon guys, it has to go a little bit both ways. The rules are clearly stated and simple....All we have to do is simply follow them... ;)

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    Ah look Im not buying into this as it it a matter for the site owners / administrators / moderators, but I do wish to clarify that my post above should be taken exactly on its face value and in no other way.

    I simply wished to thank the respondents that publicly mentioned that they support site sponsors (or words to the effect).

    They didnt need to do this, and the fact they did I thought deserved a special "thank you" in response.


    Regardz,
    FC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1150935088/0#10 date=1151472049
    Ah look Im not buying into this as it it a matter for the site owners / administrators / moderators, *but I do wish to clarify that my post above should be taken exactly on its face value and in no other way.

    I simply wished to thank the respondents that publicly mentioned that they support site sponsors (or words to the effect).

    They didnt need to do this, and the fact they did I thought deserved a special "thank you" in response.
    *

    Regardz,
    FC.
    Can I second Attilios comment.....Thanks to the many members who can and do support us...We greatly appreciate it!

    Chris

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    And me three!!!

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    Re: New Home Barista Institute

    I know I do this purely as a protagonist/devils advocate, but does this Please do not provide Free Advertising for NON-Sponsors of the CS website" rule only apply to businesses that are in competition with existing sponsors?

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    Re: New Home Barista Institute

    Matt- at the moment it applies across the board- but its a veritable hornets nest- both for the moderators and for members.

    We are developing a FAQ and also rules for posting and selling to help better address this and other issues. Sponsors pay to have access to members and its unfair that competitiors receive free plugs, however we acknowledge that we need to keep the information channels open so as to not stifle valuable discussion.

    Those in business are not permitted to plug themselves unless they are sponsors, nor are profiles to include url links to business websites.

    While we work out how to better explain how things should occur, we ask that members refrain from adding links to other businesses in posts....though my interpretation is that its ok to discuss other businesses....I think :-/

    I hope that this makes things as clear as mud ;) and request that other mods add to this thread if/where appropriate...

    2mcm

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    Well said 2muchcoffeeman.

    The only thing I can think of to add would be that everybody has their own style or way of doing things. This applies to the moderators as well.

    Looking at the moderators individual enforcement styles and putting them all together as a whole I think the rules under discussion can best be stated as:
    • No commercial posts, except by a sponsor. For purposes of this discussion a commercial post is one where-in the poster stands to profit from the post.
    • No links to commercial sites (unless they are a sponsor), this includes auction sites such as eBay, anywhere on CS.


    So as long as the poster doesnt stand to profit from the post and instead of using a link to identify the company/item theyre talking about instead just gives a name/description all should be fine. :)

    Sound about right Mods?

    Java "Just my 2 Cents" phile

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    Id say that the post by Lachlan above falls within those guidelines (link to website excepted).

    I appreciate the grey area of the situation, I moderate another forum and have to deal with this sort of thing occasionally too. I just questioned you because there are several other threads on this site promoting products (eg tampers) or businesses (eg a number of cafes) that arent sponsors, yet no action has been taken...

    And certainly I appreciate the friendly service 2mcm has given me.

    cheers all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1150935088/0#14 date=1151647319
    We are developing a FAQ and also rules for posting and selling to help better address this and other issues. Sponsors pay to have access to members and its unfair that competitiors receive free plugs, however we acknowledge that we need to keep the information channels open so as to not stifle valuable discussion.

    ...

    While we work out how to better explain how things should occur, we ask that members refrain from adding links to other businesses in posts....though my interpretation is that its ok to discuss other businesses....I think :-/
    The most pressing situations seem to be these to me:

    -I try a new product/service/cafe/roastery that has some good features and I post about it. Yes? No?

    -I see a new product/service/cafe/roastery that looks funky and I want more information. Kosher?

    -Someone asks a question. I answer with reference to stuff that I have used. Yes? No?

    Good luck trying to come up with some answers! If any of the mods want to ask me about how the webpage that I moderate (avoided linking :P ) does it, feel free to PM me.

    Cheers,

    Luca

    PS. I would also like to reiterate my support of the sponsors, particularly Chris, who took me for my Prepare And Serve Espresso exam and has not since mentioned how terrible I was at steaming milk :P

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    Sorry to be a PITA Java, Im a computer gooba :-[
    How is it going to be determined if someone stands to profit from a post or not?
    Some posts I have seen have been blatant plugs for products and/or places of business, but did not have a link to their web page (I doubt some of them even had one), but the poster still stands to directly profit from their post.
    Im not trying to shut down free speech by any means, but it has to be within the bounds of the forum rules.
    "I may not like what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Quoted from some famous person.

    Luca, FWIW I think you do a great job of moderating on another site *8-), and you couldnt be worse than me at milk steaming, trust me ;).

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    All comments noted.....were workin on it gang...patience! ;).....and yeah...Lucas milk texture was awful! ...he caught up pretty quick tho ;)

    2mcm

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    uh oh.. i wonder what youre going to say about my milk texturing 2mcm :(

    I guess after i take the course youll have no one to blame but yourself! moahahah.. ;D

    That will have to wait a couple of weeks as Im about to move house and have to channel my bucks into that. blech.. Doesnt the world understand that I need to pour better lattes?!!

    How inconsiderate!

    On the upside.. the new place is just around the corner so it wont be too bad a move.

    Looking forward to showing you what the frankenmachine can do :D (and seeing what you can do with it!)

    *stops threadjacking his own post* I had a laugh

    cheers
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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    I had a laugh good to see the"Love"

    Ive seen this type of thread b4 on the same topic too ;) ie. freedom of speech ...........yada yada................

    Always ends the same tho Moderators rule and thier decision is final. At least they are consistant.

    Should have seen some of the emails I got after i deleted or edited the advertising out of a few posts.

    Good on ya guys.



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