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    Hi. How effective is actually just randomly going into cafes and just handing in your resume? I feel that its just going to annoy general managers. I really want a job as a barista, and I feel Im competent now to operate machinery etc.

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Approach cafes you really want to work in, go in when things arent too busy and be confident and accept anything that is going. You will have to handle rejection as I hear that things are pretty tight money wise at the moment but I also hear that good staff are really hard to find. If your skills are up to the mark I think you wont struggle too hard to find any job but you may have to start at the bottom before they will let you touch the machine.

    Good luck I have employed people that just come up and ask for work but they have had substance and experience behind them to back up the request.

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Ive answered this type of question before (just search).

    Its possible to get a job with zero expereince (I did it).


    I know of a few places looking for baristas at the moment.

    Where are you pov?
    (Please update your profile)

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    Nothing turns a prospective employer off more than having someone ring or enter the premises looking for work during their busiest times, be smart and investigate your ;D ;D possible employer, what is their business, and how does it operate, when is it busy and adjust your actions to suit. Business owners are looking for problem solvers with the x factor and every action you take from the time you enter the doors paints a picture of your ability and understanding of the industry. Many jobs in hospitality are not advertised as great places to work often have resumes heading their way on a regular basis, find a business you like, where your skills can be an asset, and go and sell yourself...its that easy. Goodluck!!

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Quote Originally Posted by 407C617A707166737B70140 link=1302761951/2#2 date=1302767058
    Ive answered this type of question before (just search).

    Its possible to get a job with zero expereince (I did it).


    I know of a few places looking for baristas at the moment.

    Where are you pov?
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    Yeah I remember. You helped my latte art look a lot better. I live in Adelaide, and Ive applied to four places and I havent heard back from them.

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    Dont waste time waiting for response get out there and bang on doors. Even working at GJs or CClub will build skills. There has gotta be jobs out there somewhere.

    Like others say often best to go in in slow times but nothing wrong with casing out places in busy times.

    I have talked my way into jobs and then figured out what the hell i was supposed to be doing once i started. I was not deceiving anyone its a confidence thing and the ability to back it up and use transferable skills to get the job done.

    Remember, when your staring out sometimes you have to work in the trenches before your promoted to WBC ranks :)

    Just set your goals and make them happen.



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    Go to your local specialty roasters and ask if any of their accounts are looking for workers. A cafe mightnt advertise a position but they will tell their roaster that they need someone. I have gotten quite a bit of work this way.

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Quote Originally Posted by 716A6B6C6B6C656C716A6B6F6F67706B6C65020 link=1302761951/4#4 date=1302775896
    I live in Adelaide, and Ive applied to four places and I havent heard back from them.
    Keep your hopes up.

    (The places I know of arent in SA).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4975687379786F7A72791D0 link=1302761951/7#7 date=1302816142

    (The places I know of arent in SA).
    Just wondering, any places in Melbourne, TG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6F647C766A6B69606A72050 link=1302761951/8#8 date=1302830915
    Just wondering, any places in Melbourne, TG?
    Try DeadMan Espresso.

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    In my experience, a lot of the better cafes will only hire people who have had experience in hospitality. Its not just about how well you can make a coffee but how you treat guests and how you clean up afterwards.

    I first went for a job at the best cafe in town and they said that I looked keen but they had other applicants with experience so they would go with them.

    So I went and worked for a chain coffee store, working my way up to assistant manager of the store.

    I then decided that I wanted to work in a "real" cafe so I went back to the place where I originally applied. The owner of the cafe and I always had a good relationship and we would joke about me coming to work for them.

    Anyway the day I came into the store with my resume she was so excited, one of her staff was leaving and she really wanted to have me on board.

    If this is the industry you want to work in, you may have to walk before you can run. But it will be worth it if it is really what you want to do.

    And the things I learnt from the chain coffee store were all very important to the development of my skills.

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    Do you have the skills and expertise to do the job?

    If so then you have to be able to convince the employer.

    While jobs at places that may go for volume and profit before quality may not give great bragging rights on a forum like this they do pay bills and give experience.

    When I was a bookbinder in the printing industry all the jobs I got were from cold calling.

    Remember be nice to every one.

    After all you donít want your application put in the recycling file before anyone sees it.

    Also you can never tell who the boss is.

    When I was in business I had several people come in and be rude to me looking for the boss. (they did not get any work)

    4 applications is not very many after all there may just be no vacancies at these 4 businesses

    I would suggest that after 40+ applications and a few weeks you need to change strategy if you have had absolutely no response.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 565D5C6D5C535B405C320 link=1302761951/11#11 date=1302884251
    Do you have the skills and expertise to do the job?

    If so then you have to be able to convince the employer.

    While jobs at places that may go for volume and profit before quality may not give great bragging rights on a forum like this they do pay bills and give experience.

    When I was a bookbinder in the printing industry all the jobs I got were from cold calling.

    Remember be nice to every one.

    After all you donít want your application put in the recycling file before anyone sees it.

    Also you can never tell who the boss is.

    When I was in business I had several people come in and be rude to me looking for the boss. (they did not get any work)

    4 applications is not very many after all there may just be no vacancies at these 4 businesses

    I would suggest that after 40+ applications and a few weeks you need to change strategy if you have had absolutely no response.

    Without giving too much detail. Ive handed resumes to exactly 8 cafes. The first four advertised jobs, the more recent ones (as of yesterday) Ive handed out 4 more resumes at different cafes.

    I am really perplexed to why I havent got a job, mostly due to the places I have work experience. People do comment that my shots are good, and they even order seconds. Im currently being coached by a WBC, currently studying latte art, do volunteer work (no thats not the current work experience I do). I have done two barista courses.

    The places I went in today, I came with a smile and I wasnt as nervous as the places that advertised with a job. I just said "ey, is it okay if I just drop in my resume" and they either said "sure" or "Ill pass it off to the general manager". Two of the four, took what seem like a semi-interview, and those were good places to work (thanks Thundergod!)

    Can you see why Im getting a little bit more desperate?

    Despite my arrogance/cockiness (I believe its more of the latter), but part of the reason why I want to do this is because I want to enter latte art/barista comps by next year, and the funding for me thats coming out of my own back pocket is running out.

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    Could be worse... A number of years ago (about 9 or 10 I think) I was publishing my newspaper and it was being printed at a larger paper with full offset setup in town. I heard that there was a job opening. The guys in the pressroom liked my work (said I had the easiest job to print of any small papers they printed) and told me to talk to the woman in charge. The job was for doing layout for a weekly insert - right up my alley. I dropped off a resume and went back a week later to see what was up. I introduced myself, and she said that he normally never spoke to anyone without an appointment a resume, but we ended up talking for about 30 minutes, and she had copies of my paper on her desk. I was told to come by in a week for a followup.

    Before I got there a U2 Spyplane crashed, landing about 5 meters from the parking place I used last visit (leaving my wife waiting in the car). The only fatality was the pilot who died when he ejected, but the building was mostly a loss, they moved the paper, merging operations with another of their paper, and that was that.



    I went to drop off my resume, and the woman running

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Perhaps as something a little different to just dropping off your resume perhaps try offering your services for a day as a free trial. Make the offer that on their busiest day of the week you will come in for the day and do whatever is needed (which will be more likely cleaning and clearing than using the machine but it is a start). Not many bosses will turn down the offer for free help for a day. After the day they will get to see how motivated you are and how well you may work as part of the team. Dont do more than a day for free or they will just take advantage of you.

    I have had the case when working weekends going through Uni that I wanted to swap jobs to a new store that had recently opened (and had already done all of their hiring). I had been speaking to the owner but not really getting anywhere. In the end I just said to him how about I come in and work Saturday for you and we will see how it goes. At the end of the day he came up to me and asked me to come back on the Sunday .... I worked 3 1/2 days a week for the next few years until I finished Uni ..... And I think I got paid for the trial Saturday.

    Good luck with it. Anybody can drop off a resume .... What different approach can you make to stand out?

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    When my daughter went for her first job, she spent weeks refining her resume and then dropped off more than thirty in a day. She got three replies, and staff turnover in retail is high. I wouldnt be surprised if there were fifty applications for every job, so you should expect more rejections.

    I agree with stinky, you need to stand out and be prepared to work at getting the job.

    Also try dropping off your resume and then go back in a day or two to follow up with a "Hi, I dont know if you remember, but I dropped of my resume yesterday and wondered if you had a chance to look at it yet". Chances are they havent, but you persistence will move it further up the pile.

    Cockiness and/or arrogance will count against you. How you think of yourself affects how others see you, perhaps aim for a quiet confidence in your abilities.

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E75747374737A736E75747070786F74737A1D0 link=1302761951/12#12 date=1302885717
    The places I went in today, I came with a smile and I wasnt as nervous as the places that advertised with a job. I just said "ey, is it okay if I just drop in my resume" and they either said "sure" or "Ill pass it off to the general manager".
    Just a tip for you mate, never just hand your resume to a staff member.....they more often than not end up in the bin(I have seen it many a time).The staff member who takes your resume will size you up on the spot and it could be any reason that it will end up in the bin.....eg. looks, arrogance, age, name, address, where you have worked, where you went to school etc etc.......some staff members will not care who has trained you, and they could even feel threatened if you were really good??

    Always ask to see the manager/ owner ! and use your head wait for a really quiet time to do this.....dont go into a cafe at 8.45 in the morning and expect them to drop what they are doing, this will be seen as very annoying and probably not good for your prospects.

    personal presentation and hygiene( clean hands and nails hair washed etc etc.) must also be of a very high standard, neat attire !......no thongs tshirts etc.( this tip is super important you are on display to the public and must be presentable.)

    Maybe try some franchises first, you could try and get your foot in the door just as a crew member. try GJs, hudsons,coffee club etc....

    good luck mate

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    Re: Getting a job?

    While all the training is nice until you can regularly do the 50 to 150 shots an hour that the busy people do you are just a beginner. What is the industry standard for a good barista?

    In the printing industry there are a lot of people who an work a machine but there are a lot less that can get it to run all day at even 80% of what it is capable.

    So you have proved that there are 8 coffee shops that dont need anyone presently. If this means it is time to give up and try something else is up to you.

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B404170414E465D412F0 link=1302761951/11#11 date=1302884251
    4 applications is not very many after all there may just be no vacancies at these 4 businesses

    I would suggest that after 40+ applications and a few weeks you need to change strategy if you have had absolutely no response.
    I dont want to discourage you but you havent made many applications.

    I just started work yesterday after 16 months of unemployment.

    I havent bothered to count (this time) how many applications Ive made in that time.

    Its not the type of work Im qualified for or like to do and the money is terrible (but better than the dole).

    I need a job of any kind at the moment to keep me sane (sort of) and will have to keep looking for what I do best.

    Persist and youll eventually get there.

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    <rant> Need to get experience... so that I can get a job... to get some experience on a machine... so that I can get a job making coffee... so that I can gain experience... to become gainfully employed as a barista...

    Its unbelievably frustrating riding this nonsense work/experience merry-go-round. I cant get a job, because every job I see and manager or owner I meet wants 2-3 years experience - Ive even seen jobs advertised wanting 4 years! How do I get in? Ive done enough training, both in Australia and in NZ (and got ripped off one time, but thats another story), but every day that Im not at a machine, my skills and knowledge are fading, making it even harder when I do get trials.

    Yes, Im a bit slow just now, but I can get faster, WITH PRACTICE. I cant get practice when employers arent willing to give us newbies a fair go. I understand that employers want someone who can just jump on a machine and go, but its not quite as straight forward as that: even trained and experienced baristas will have to adjust to new ways of doing things (eg using a different machine, grinder, stuff kept in different places, different POS systems, etc) when they start a new job. I have plenty of experience working in cafes in other roles; as a kitchen hand, sandwich hand and dish hand - but I really want to be working as a barista because I love coffee and I have taken the initiative by starting to become trained as as a barista! Im beginning to think Ive made a huge mistake. :(

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Well perhaps go up to the cafe manager that you havent done the 3 years experience but ask him if you can demonstrate your skills anyway. You have nothing to lose.

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    Yeah, I have done. But they invariably say that Im "too slow". I usually only get to make them one or two coffees, then it inevitably gets busy and another barista jumps on the machine: trial over.

    The exchange seems to have a pattern, with the owner or manager asking (as one owner did this week): "Ok then, make me a trim latte". So I make him a latte, after discovering which jugs they use for skimmed milk, after finding the milk (hidden in refrigerated cupboards with opaque doors), asking him about how theyd programmed the volumetric keypad buttons (Ive come across some strange programmings, so I always ask if I dont know), after asking about the automatically dispensing grinder (Im used to Mazzer manuals), and figuring out the lever-type steam control (Im used to knobs). Yes, it took me a little longer than it should have. Then comes the inevitable "Yeah, the coffee was pretty good, but were looking for someone who can already do X kgs per day, and youre not fast enough."

    Its not that I cant make the coffee; its that I cant get regular access to a machine (because I cant get a job... to get the experience... to get the job... Oh yeah, we covered that) to practice and get my speed and consistency up.* Its not a fair trial or honest appraisal of what I can do.

    I am willing to come into a cafe and work for free for a few hours - best case: I get a job; worst case: I get some experience and the employer gets X hours of free labour -* but Im not being given the chance. I dont even get a look-in in many cases, because I dont have 2-4 years under my belt already.

    Its crazy. I mean, there are about 80 barista jobs available in central Sydney that Ive come across in the last week or so; I notice some of these jobs have been available since I arrived in November (or re-advertized, as the positions arent being filled). Employers need employees, right? Well here I am! No, Im not as fast as a World Champion barista, but I could be, with some experience!

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    Its crazy. I mean, there are about 80 barista jobs available in central Sydney that Ive come across in the last week or so; I notice some of these jobs have been available since I arrived in November (or re-advertized, as the positions arent being filled
    giggled like a schoolgirl! I always thought there was a bit of a conspiracy behind the same jobs being advertised in the same places for several months on end for baristas with 3 years experience or more. I get the feeling they probably already have temporary staff and on the off chance they can find a barista with experience they will probably cut the hours of some of the less permanent staff.

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    Re: Getting a job?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F6B3D2E5B0 link=1302761951/22#22 date=1326282787
    giggled like a schoolgirl! I always thought there was a bit of a conspiracy behind the same jobs being advertised in the same places for several months on end for baristas with 3 years experience or more. I get the feeling they probably already have temporary staff and on the off chance they can find a barista with experience they will probably cut the hours of some of the less permanent staff.
    No doubt! But then, why dont cafe owners spend the time with their staff to train them and make sure they get the skills? Its in the interests of their business after all.

    Ive been in cafes here in Sydney where Ive known that I could have done a far better job with my limited experience than the barista making the coffee, who has probably been making the same crap coffee for months or years, losing the cafe business. This was particularly the case at the airport, where I was served brown water as a long black - tasted like a single ristretto shot diluted with 240ml of hot water. Ive even applied for jobs with the airport foodservice companies, and heard nothing. Thats another thing thats beginning to grate on me, but Im told that thats the norm these days: dont expect to get even an acknowlegement. Thats why Ive been doing the rounds on foot, handing out my resume.

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    Re: Getting a job?

    You wrote immediately above:

    ".....Ive been doing the rounds on foot, handing out my resume...."

    You are doing the right thing, dont lose hope. Try some of the cafes owned / run in conjunction with a coffee roastery. They are more attuned to quality rather than simply outright speed. You are looking for a coffee house not a regular "cafe" (an eatery with a coffee machine....), so maybe you are just looking in the wrong places. We like being an "employer of choice" and that is, one where people approach us and want to come work for us, job advert or not.

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    Thanks for the advice and kind words, Attilio. Sounds like you are an employer that understands the predicament of newly qualified baristas. I am of the belief that if an employer shows that they do genuinely care about helping a keen employee develop their skills, then employees will respond positively and put the effort in.

    There are several ads for positions in new concept roasteries in Sydney... I should give them a try; Im keen to find out about the roasting process too.

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    Ive thought about buying a used commercial or semi-commercial machine to practice on at home, but I cant in all honesty afford one - especially with no income or support, nor to buy the coffee and milk to practice with. I used to have a little Breville machine, but it didnt have the tank pressure to properly extract shots (only 3.5 bar, I think), and the steam wand was stuck in a inconvenient fixed position, making it difficult to steam milk effectively. Would love to have a decent professional-grade machine!



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