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    Quick visit to Melbourne

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    My husband, daughter and I were in Melbourne for a few days this week, and got to visit a couple of cafes, though not as many as we were hoping to. :(

    We did make it to Batch Espresso, where the presentation of our coffees were exceptional, though it wasnt the greatest cup Id ever had. Also, we forgot to ask, but they have a nz latte on their menu... can anyone tell me what this is?

    But the place that really blew us away was Maling Room, fantastic coffee. Just fantastic. *:D The barista made my husbands doppio ristretto four times before he was happy enough to serve it to him, and was quite happy to chat to us about why. We were very impressed with the whole place, and our nearly 1-year old daughter was quite delighted with the box of toys they have there (although she found the products on the shelves too great a temptation). Well definately be going back there if we ever get to Melbourne again.

    Wanted to get to St. Ali and a few other places, but hey, next time...

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    Hey there, based on coffee drinking when I was working in Auckland, *an NZ latte is also known as a latte bowl, usually served....in a bowl! This is a good thing if you like massive amounts of coffee and the barista knows to punch a few shots into the bowl to give it some backbone. Alternately it is a good thing of you like very large milky lattes!!!! At my regular Brazil in K Road, they pull a mean double from a stripped back and refurbed mad max style *old school 2 group lever , and make the most unbelieveable latte bowls...mmmmmm, Brazil.... ::)

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    Hey Mwatt,
    Im glad you enjoyed the coffees at T.M.R, just getting on top of a few things. Got a few plans on coffees later on this year. You came in at a perfect time when it was quiet. I did pull several shots because i had put a different roast date in the mazzer, so dialling in the temperture for that takes a while. I knew you would appreciate it and we generally do pull several shots on espresso to make it right. I know i will sample a shot every time before i give a short black out to a customer. Its great with the synesso and pulling shots just to suit the customers needs. As a barista we are seeing a new direction we have to go towards and the synesso is teaching us new things every week. Out growing machines in the past and not learning new things as a barista is a problem. We feel like rookies with synesso. Manual pre infusion is a level i cant even imagine and wont even try till next year.
    Im not doing a lot of special guest blends at the moment because we are really trying to understand the synesso on a different level. Its a shame you couldnt go to St Ali. Love the guys there.
    T.M.R is great for kids and we didnt set it up for the kids it just happen!! Its funny the building really attracts the kids and the venue is perfect for them. You can enjoy a coffee and the kids have a great time.
    Thanks for the feed back.
    We will keep working on it!!!

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    Hey Andrew- a big welcome to you from the CS community....Good to see you here! [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

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    Hey Andrew,

    Likewise from me.... Welcome to CoffeeSnobs [smiley=thumbsup.gif]. Your location definitely sounds like a great place to be :),

    Al the best,
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    Thanks guys

    Been here so many times and read heaps on coffeesnobs. Even replied on a different name, "which i forgot"

    Andrew

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    Ok, going on our becoming-annual (hopefully) visit to Melbourne.
    Anything I need to know? Anywhere new and brilliant we should check out? Anywhere that used to brilliant that now sucks?

    Definately planning on getting to The Maling Room at least once, hopefully a couple of times...

    Other than that, will aim to check out First Pour, St. Ali and Batch...

    Michelle

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwatt link=1152238522/0#6 date=1175906555
    Ok, going on our becoming-annual (hopefully) visit to Melbourne.
    Anything I need to know? Anywhere new and brilliant we should check out? Anywhere that used to brilliant that now sucks?

    Definately planning on getting to The Maling Room at least once, hopefully a couple of times...

    Other than that, will aim to check out First Pour, St. Ali and Batch...

    Michelle
    Try:
    Bebita- David Makins newie- 2nd lever Melbourne Central
    7 Gram- Chruch St Richmond
    A minor place- Albion St Brunswick...Grungy but great breaky and coffee


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    7grams pretty impressive

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    Melbourne was again fantastic- even though I thought Id missed BeanBay (I did manage to score 500gm of JBM, which I think Ill be too scared to roast).

    Maling Room was top-notch, just superb. We managed to visit three times, and the coffee was great every time! Many thanks to Andrew for not only brilliant coffee but for taking time out to chat with us, we really appreciated it.

    St. Ali was also great, although we wondered if we were in the right place til we walked in the door. Really enjoyed the Rwandan they were serving Sunday, but the doppio ristretto latte on their house blend that I had Saturday was awesome!

    We tried to get to First Pour but alas, we were too late on Saturday afternoon.

    Also had a piccolo of Jamaica Blue Mtn at Jaspers in the Prahran Market. It was ok. A little disappointing at $6 a shot. The beans they had in buckets all looked quite oily- darker than Id usually care to go with most beans. I wonder how long they leave them sitting there for?

    We also checked out coffee mamma in Albury. Looks really funky, the coffee was average. Someone should buy them a tamper so they can stop using the bit of plastic stuck to the grinder. Actually the coffee was probably ok, wed just been so spoilt all week with excellent coffee that we were perhaps a little overly critical.

    Wanted to try Morrisons (?), self-proclaimed as the best coffee on the Hume, but it wasnt a good time to stop as both kids were asleep.

    All in all, a good time chasing good coffee. Hoping to be back down in October...

    You know youre a coffeesnob when you go on coffee-centred holidays!! *::)

    Michelle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwatt link=1152238522/0#9 date=1176783731
    Also had a piccolo of Jamaica Blue Mtn at Jaspers in the Prahran Market. It was ok. A little disappointing at $6 a shot. The beans they had in buckets all looked quite oily- darker than Id usually care to go with most beans. I wonder how long they leave them sitting there for?
    Gday Michelle,

    Sounds to me like they roasted these way too far..... Most recommendations Ive read say that they should be pulled well before 2nd Crack even starts and then brewed using a French Press/Plunger or Vac Pot, not espresso or Moka Pot, etc. Youd think with such expensive beans they would have taken more care wouldnt you? Maybe they (the roaster) dont know any better :-?

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    mwatt said:

    You know youre a coffeesnob when you go on coffee-centred holidays!!
    My wife and I are probably going to Perth in late June, with the main objective being to check out Epic Espresso...

    So I know what you mean * :)

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    i dont think its just the roasting, but more the storage. The beans have sweated out all the oils. Especially with our summer in Melbourne, Jaspers HAS TO CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget about the fairtrade and just store the BLOODY COFFEE right.
    Also didnt like Yirg. Then why sell it then? So much marketing bull crap. Just because Ethiopian sounds cool lets sell it.

    Michelle you are too nice!! 6 dollars for a crap coffee is not good enough.

    Mammas i have to tell my friend he is full of it. Also it is Albury.

    St Ali, gotta love those boys

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    Agreed Andrew- Jasper has a an enormous amount of work to do. The coffee served at the Brunswick St flagship is some of the worst I have had in the last 20 years...and I have had some doozies....

    Bottom line is do they really care or is it all about marketing high-profit feelgood stale stuff, overroasted and oily in open buckets...

    Time will tell *::)

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    Hi Michelle,

    You sound like you hit some high notes on your trip to Melbourne! As it happened, I shut up shop on Saturday, but was actually still around testing out some new machines with some Gene and Hottop roasts. It would have been nice to have seen you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1152238522/0#10 date=1176797994
    Quote Originally Posted by mwatt link=1152238522/0#9 date=1176783731
    Also had a piccolo of Jamaica Blue Mtn at Jaspers in the Prahran Market. It was ok. A little disappointing at $6 a shot. The beans they had in buckets all looked quite oily- darker than Id usually care to go with most beans. I wonder how long they leave them sitting there for?
    Gday Michelle,

    Sounds to me like they roasted these way too far..... Most recommendations Ive read say that they should be pulled well before 2nd Crack even starts and then brewed using a French Press/Plunger or Vac Pot, not espresso or Moka Pot, etc. Youd think with such expensive beans they would have taken more care wouldnt you? Maybe they (the roaster) dont know any better :-?

    Mal.
    Top advice, Mal. There was some floating around at work last weekend ... random stuff like that sometimes happens ... and it was great as a French Press. Ill have to dust off the old Vac Pot at some stage.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Hello All,

    Ross here from Jasper, it certainly is unfortunate to hear some of you were unhappy with some of our coffees.
    The best thing for all concerned is to let us know, if coffee is defective and we have made an error we are always happy to hear from customers and would resolve them accordingly and as quickly as possible.
    It is true that we are all different, thats what makes coffee so great, in so far as being quoted also in this thread what was mentioned was untrue and indeed a misrepresentation.
    We roast yirgecheffe coffee in a particular way, it may be different to others but that is neither here nor there.
    Our motivations in regards to marketing are heartfelt and honest, we want to help those who are living in situations you or I would not tolerate at home. It is not all about making a dollar, if would like to know more let us know we are happy to provide you with evidence of just how much of a difference it can make to peoples lives.
    Just keep in mind that we are receptive to any form of fedback, positive or negative. Afterall, what we do is about coffee and people at all levels, we want to provide a positive experience.
    Thankyou all for your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Framey link=1152238522/0#12 date=1176801062
    mwatt said:

    You know youre a coffeesnob when you go on coffee-centred holidays!!
    My wife and I are probably going to Perth in late June, with the main objective being to check out Epic Espresso...

    So I know what you mean * :)

    Hmm, Perth, hey? Better start saving for the airfares ... ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross Quail link=1152238522/15#15 date=1177036695
    Hello All,

    Ross here from Jasper, it certainly is unfortunate to hear some of you were unhappy with some of our coffees.
    The best thing for all concerned is to let us know, if coffee is defective and we have made an error we are always happy to hear from customers and would resolve them accordingly and as quickly as possible.
    It is true that we are all different, thats what makes coffee so great, in so far as being quoted also in this thread what was mentioned was untrue and indeed a misrepresentation.
    We roast yirgecheffe coffee in a particular way, it may be different to others but that is neither here nor there.
    Our motivations in regards to marketing are heartfelt and honest, we want to help those who are living in situations you or I would not tolerate at home. It is not all about making a dollar, if would like to know more let us know we are happy to provide you with evidence of just how much of a difference it can make to peoples lives.
    Just keep in mind that we are receptive to any form of fedback, positive or negative. Afterall, what we do is about coffee and people at all levels, we want to provide a positive experience.
    Thankyou all for your time.
    Hi Ross,

    My sincere and personal apologies for misinterpreting what you have meant and the comment has been withdrawn respectfully.

    When I was talking to you and told you about the Yirg being over-roasted and really oily looking compared to the rest of the beans, I have since had a look at another batch and did buy 250 grams as my coffee supplies had gone down for that weekend. It was quite nice....definitely one of my faves.

    Dave

    PS: Didnt see you at the VBC finals. Busy all day at Fed Square?

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    still gotta get rid of the buckets of coffee beans. People see amazing coffee beans, i see coffee going bad.

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    Dave thankyou for your honest and candid response. I didnt make the barista finals due to getting slammed at Wicked Sunday.
    On the yirgy I am glad you have since tried it again and enjoyed it, these types of instances keep you on your toes ! The participation in the VBC for me was to broaden my view as a roaster, it can be said that you can make yourself an island if you remain on the outer. Being open to both praise and critcism equally will certainly do me no harm.

    Kind Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL link=1152238522/15#18 date=1177239930
    still gotta get rid of the buckets of coffee beans. People see amazing coffee beans, i see coffee going bad.
    You are correct that buckets are not the ideal way to store coffee, these situations arrive through a marriage of business and practicality. If there was a cost effective suitable alternative it would be done, until such times the stores are delivered freshly roasted coffee 2 or 3 times a week to maintain the highest degree of freshness we are able to achieve. Furthermore the buckets are not full, there are bases that sit half way up the bucket giving the appearance of alot of coffee, the rest is stored underneath airtight and out of light.
    We will keep looking !

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    i can see that the buckets generate customers, but it doesnt teach them good habits. Why not have the display and have pre packet coffee beans in the correct storage. They see the beans and see the way you store the coffee and learn. Label the bags in the right manner so people will see, that they are getting the correct blend. I always let the customer smell the beans before they buy so they can understand how fresh coffee works.
    You guys have such a great selection of coffee but i would never buy coffee that is left out. Brought coffee out of buckets too many times and been let down.
    If a cafe sells Jaspers i have no problems drinking it. I actually like it. I had a poorly made jaspers coffee, however it was fresh and all the notes were there. Of course that happens to all roasters that sell coffee!! One of my favourite cafes sells Jaspers. Educating people on ethics is great, but i would never tell a customer to store coffee that way. Especially when it can taste sooooo much better storing it the right way! I think there is a easy solution to fix the problem and thats with educating the customer.



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