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    Hi,
    Firstly, Im sorry if somebody already posted this subject before. I did a search and I couldnt find it.

    Ok, here we go.
    I want to be a barista not just for a good money but also I want to open a coffee business in the future because I love coffee and I have a beautiful concept of a coffee shop.

    But the problem is I only experienced the coffee making at home with my Sunbeam EM6910. In the other word, I need experience for a commercial barista.

    The thing is all the vacancies are for experienced barista. Now, how can I have experience if everybody looking for the experienced one?

    I took barista courses. Latte art courses, been practising at home. I also have TAFE cert for a barista.

    Now I have one question for you guys, who I believe have more experience than me as a barista, what is the quickest way or the easiest way to become a barista? for example, do I have to be a wait person or allrounder first or you have better suggestion for me?

    Thanks a lot guys...


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    Re: What is the best way to be a barista?

    Easiest way to become a Barista? Get a job at a Cafe, Dont wait for posted "help wanted" posters, DoorKnock/Cold-canvass, Let them know youre out there, that youre passionate about coffee, and that youre eager to learn more.

    A Couple of the jobs Ive gotten in the past were a case of "I didnt realise I needed someone, but this persons given me the idea that I need one, Perhaps I might give them a try".

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    Re: What is the best way to be a barista?

    Laughing@Fate gives good advice, Ive always had great success just going into every cafe in the area I wanted to work with a resume and asking to speak to the manager. Its best not to go in during really busy times though so try and avoid the morning and lunch rushs. Try around 11am or after 2pm.

    The fact youre keen and have taken the initiative to get some training will definitely work in your favour. Also, dont forget to try suburban cafes as well as the ones in the cbd as they often find it harder to get good staff.

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    thanks for giving me good advice my friends..
    I definitely will try your advice..

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    Yep, LaughingFate has it. Dont wait for the job to be advertised, chase it.

    If all else fails and you just absolutely cannot find a job, ask if you can do some unpaid work/observe from behind the counter on a weekend to pick up some skills. From here you will either get your experience for somewhere else, or theyll offer you a job!

    Tangent - When I got my first barista job, I saw a help wanted sign out the front (for experienced baristas only, of which I was not) of a local café, went in, grabbed a seat and scoped the place out for 5 minutes. Worked out which one was the manager, ordered a ristretto once she got behind the machine, got chatting to her about coffee and I left with the job.

    Its as much about being a welcoming, approachable and easy-going person as it is about your experience. Skills can be learnt, and as long as youre not being thrown into a 7kgs+ a day situation - youll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 292530303D2032440 link=1316510825/4#4 date=1316599500
    Yep, LaughingFate has it. Dont wait for the job to be advertised, chase it.

    If all else fails and you just absolutely cannot find a job, ask if you can do some unpaid work/observe from behind the counter on a weekend to pick up some skills. From here you will either get your experience for somewhere else, or theyll offer you a job!

    Tangent - When I got my first barista job, I saw a help wanted sign out the front (for experienced baristas only, of which I was not) of a local café, went in, grabbed a seat and scoped the place out for 5 minutes. Worked out which one was the manager, ordered a ristretto once she got behind the machine, got chatting to her about coffee and I left with the job.

    Its as much about being a welcoming, approachable and easy-going person as it is about your experience. Skills can be learnt, and as long as youre not being thrown into a 7kgs+ a day situation - youll be fine.
    Thanks mate...you got some good points there...cheers

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    Also try approaching some of the chain stores as experience is not always necessary as training is provided

    And once youre employed even with a chain store - then youre an asset to another employer as you already have experience !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 65776F706C61676B6262616163717D040 link=1316510825/6#6 date=1316692295
    Also try approaching some of the chain stores as experience is not always necessary as training is provided

    And once youre employed even with a chain store - then youre an asset to another employer as you already have experience !

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    I was thinking about that too but most of the chain stores intend to hire young ones...

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    Sorry... I didnt realize you were 97 !

    Personally I tend to avoid buying coffee from a youngi one unless it is obvious that they know what theyre doing - I guess same applies to old ones but old ones like me are more likely to attract an older demographic - which can be a plus for a business :)

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    I think its a business matter...
    The only reason they hire the young kids is because they are cheapies

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    I know how difficult it is, I was in exactly the same situation when I was out job hunting for barista experience. I tried independent & chain cafes, but no one would hire me purely based on my lack of experience. Like you I had TAFE Cert and what not.

    And as others have mentioned, chase the job, dont wait for a position to pop up. As youve yet to gain any experience, perhaps taking up a position in a cafe doing other work (i.e. - floor staff or something similar) and showing your passion for coffee and progressing onto barista work could be a path, thats what happened to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 426F6F734C6565000 link=1316510825/10#10 date=1317028449
    I know how difficult it is, I was in exactly the same situation when I was out job hunting for barista experience. I tried independent & chain cafes, but no one would hire me purely based on my lack of experience. Like you I had TAFE Cert and what not.

    And as others have mentioned, chase the job, dont wait for a position to pop up. As youve yet to gain any experience, perhaps taking up a position in a cafe doing other work (i.e. - floor staff or something similar) and showing your passion for coffee and progressing onto barista work could be a path, thats what happened to me.
    How long youve been in your job mate?
    I thought most of existing baristas dont like competitor...

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    Yep all good advice there :) If you can afford it, go to a cafe, where you think you can learn the most and offer up your services for free. If they like what they see then work something out with them

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    This might be a bit cheeky but you could claim you have experience as a barista. After they employ you and realise how good a barista you are, you can tell them your "experience" is TAFE and barista courses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 78575E4C4A4E080C390 link=1316510825/13#13 date=1322441276
    This might be a bit cheeky but you could claim you have experience as a barista. After they employ you and realise how good a barista you are, you can tell them your "experience" is TAFE and barista courses.
    Hmm...If I was to find out that an employee started a job with a lie, both trust and tenure would be severely compromised.

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    Im quite confident with my skills on various machines, however, if I was wanting to work in the industry (be a barista), Id probably head to the actual Barista Academy and be TRAINED professionally, by professional accredited baristas. Theres obviously more to making coffee than just pressing buttons or pulling levers..

    Im tempted to do the training anyway, would be a great experience :)

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    I did some training and then convinced a cafe owner to give me a go on his machine as it was quiet.
    When he saw I was competent he hired me.

    It wasnt the busiest of places and never got too busy for my fledgling skills.

    Im better and faster now after a lot more practise.


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    Re: What is the best way to be a barista?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5065686F5B476B62626161040 link=1316510825/14#14 date=1322442219
    Quote Originally Posted by 78575E4C4A4E080C390 link=1316510825/13#13 date=1322441276
    This might be a bit cheeky but you could claim you have experience as a barista. After they employ you and realise how good a barista you are, you can tell them your "experience" is TAFE and barista courses.
    Hmm...If I was to find out that an employee started a job with a lie, both trust and tenure would be severely compromised.
    Well its not a preferable method but if youve been up and down every street, you having nothing to lose. If you explain to your employer your situation when you tell them your "experience", they might understand. I did a similar thing getting the job I have at the moment and when I told my manager a few months later, they just laughed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 634C455751551317220 link=1316510825/17#17 date=1322450527
    Quote Originally Posted by 5065686F5B476B62626161040 link=1316510825/14#14 date=1322442219
    Quote Originally Posted by 78575E4C4A4E080C390 link=1316510825/13#13 date=1322441276
    This might be a bit cheeky but you could claim you have experience as a barista. After they employ you and realise how good a barista you are, you can tell them your "experience" is TAFE and barista courses.
    Hmm...If I was to find out that an employee started a job with a lie, both trust and tenure would be severely compromised.
    Well its not a preferable method but if youve been up and down every street, you having nothing to lose. If you explain to your employer your situation when you tell them your* "experience", they might understand. I did a similar thing getting the job I have at the moment and when I told my manager a few months later, they just laughed.
    Yeah some places have an easy going atmosphere, but some dont.
    I am thinking what Talk_Coffee said. And it would worry me.

    But If some of you have a coffee shop, and kind enough to give me a trial, please let me know.
    Time goes faster than we think and sadly, the time will not wait for me too.. :)

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    Re: What is the best way to be a barista?

    I would say also to be an asset to a business that you should look at developing your skills as an all rounder - who can work the floor and make coffees

    there are plenty of baristas out there, and a lot of floor staff - but few who are capable at both - being an all rounder means that you can cover shifts in both capacities - which is an asset to an employer

    you could also start as a waiter but with the desired intention to get behind the machine, as IMHO its easier to train a waiter than it is to train a barista - that way you could advance your skills!

    Cheers,

    ACg

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    Quote Originally Posted by 524058475B56505C5555565654464A330 link=1316510825/19#19 date=1322671649
    I would say also to be an asset to a business that you should look at developing your skills as an all rounder - who can work the floor and make coffees

    there are plenty of baristas out there, and a lot of floor staff - but few who are capable at both - being an all rounder means that you can cover shifts in both capacities - which is an asset to an employer

    you could also start as a waiter but with the desired intention to get behind the machine, as IMHO its easier to train a waiter than it is to train a barista - that way you could advance your skills!

    Cheers,

    ACg

    Thanks for the tips...
    I will do what you said...its just a matter of time...and I am sure I can make coffee better than other baristas out there..

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    Re: What is the best way to be a barista?

    Quote Originally Posted by 212F3C20232B242D4A0 link=1316510825/20#20 date=1322676265
    Quote Originally Posted by 524058475B56505C5555565654464A330 link=1316510825/19#19 date=1322671649
    I would say also to be an asset to a business that you should look at developing your skills as an all rounder - who can work the floor and make coffees

    there are plenty of baristas out there, and a lot of floor staff - but few who are capable at both - being an all rounder means that you can cover shifts in both capacities - which is an asset to an employer

    you could also start as a waiter but with the desired intention to get behind the machine, as IMHO its easier to train a waiter than it is to train a barista - that way you could advance your skills!

    Cheers,

    ACg

    Thanks for the tips...
    I will do what you said...its just a matter of time...and I am sure I can make coffee better than other baristas out there..

    Its not necessarily about being better than someone else so much as adaptability to circumstances and a willingness to learn new things - constantly improving as you go

    I for one on the main part find it far easier to train someone who is relatively new to espresso as theyre not so much set in their ways, than someone who may have been making coffee for a long time but in one particular way...

    p

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    Re: What is the best way to be a barista?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B79617E626F69656C6C6F6F6D7F730A0 link=1316510825/21#21 date=1322750469
    Quote Originally Posted by 212F3C20232B242D4A0 link=1316510825/20#20 date=1322676265
    Quote Originally Posted by 524058475B56505C5555565654464A330 link=1316510825/19#19 date=1322671649
    I would say also to be an asset to a business that you should look at developing your skills as an all rounder - who can work the floor and make coffees

    there are plenty of baristas out there, and a lot of floor staff - but few who are capable at both - being an all rounder means that you can cover shifts in both capacities - which is an asset to an employer

    you could also start as a waiter but with the desired intention to get behind the machine, as IMHO its easier to train a waiter than it is to train a barista - that way you could advance your skills!

    Cheers,

    ACg

    Thanks for the tips...
    I will do what you said...its just a matter of time...and I am sure I can make coffee better than other baristas out there..

    Its not necessarily about being better than someone else so much as adaptability to circumstances and a willingness to learn new things - constantly improving as you go

    I for one on the main part find it far easier to train someone who is relatively new to espresso as theyre not so much set in their ways, than someone who may have been making coffee for a long time but in one particular way...

    p
    The baristas I mentioned were the kids from chain store or Maccas :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7C72617D7E767970170 link=1316510825/0#0 date=1316510825
    Hi,
    Firstly, Im sorry if somebody already posted this subject before. I did a search and I couldnt find it.

    Ok, here we go.
    I want to be a barista not just for a good money but also I want to open a coffee business in the future because I love coffee and I have a beautiful concept of a coffee shop.

    But the problem is I only experienced the coffee making at home with my Sunbeam EM6910. In the other word, I need experience for a commercial barista.

    The thing is all the vacancies are for experienced barista. Now, how can I have experience if everybody looking for the experienced one?

    I took barista courses. Latte art courses, been practising at home. I also have TAFE cert for a barista.

    Now I have one question for you guys, who I believe have more experience than me as a barista, what is the quickest way or the easiest way to become a barista? for example, do I have to be a wait person or allrounder first or you have better suggestion for me?

    Thanks a lot guys...
    If it is good money you are after In general I wouldnt seek a barista job especially at the beginner level.....but if you love it and have to do it then read on,

    As suggested you might have to get in washing dishes or waiting for starters and get a little time on the machine here and there when it is not busy( maybe just pulling shots for starters), nobody(sane)will throw a beginner on the machine full time into the deep end especially when sometimes you are expected to make anywhere up to 100 coffees an hour(plus other duties)you would not be able to keep up with this workload.....baby steps first.

    I know at my work this happens and there is only 2 of us on most times, as well as getting pumped hard with coffee orders we have to operate the register, do basic food orders(toast , croissants etc.), answer phones,do dishes, restock etc etc. at the same time....it can be mayhem and that is providing you dont make any mistakes.....
    This is why most businesses want experience, it is the skill and the ability to cope with volume plus be versitile, fast on the register, maybe some cooking skills, waiting,cleaning??? etc.

    It doesnt leave you much free time to check out nice looking girls...... :P

    But seriously good luck my friend......keep on asking around offer your services for free even just as training, smile on the face and willing to learn and do anything should get you places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5D74696F7E1B0 link=1316510825/23#23 date=1322987949
    Quote Originally Posted by 7C72617D7E767970170 link=1316510825/0#0 date=1316510825
    Hi,
    Firstly, Im sorry if somebody already posted this subject before. I did a search and I couldnt find it.

    Ok, here we go.
    I want to be a barista not just for a good money but also I want to open a coffee business in the future because I love coffee and I have a beautiful concept of a coffee shop.

    But the problem is I only experienced the coffee making at home with my Sunbeam EM6910. In the other word, I need experience for a commercial barista.

    The thing is all the vacancies are for experienced barista. Now, how can I have experience if everybody looking for the experienced one?

    I took barista courses. Latte art courses, been practising at home. I also have TAFE cert for a barista.

    Now I have one question for you guys, who I believe have more experience than me as a barista, what is the quickest way or the easiest way to become a barista? for example, do I have to be a wait person or allrounder first or you have better suggestion for me?

    Thanks a lot guys...
    If it is good money you are after In general I wouldnt seek a barista job especially at the beginner level.....but if you love it and have to do it then read on,

    As suggested you might have to get in washing dishes or waiting for starters and get a little time on the machine here and there when it is not busy( maybe just pulling shots for starters), nobody(sane)will throw a beginner on the machine full time into the deep end especially when sometimes you are expected to make anywhere up to 100 coffees an hour(plus other duties)you would not be able to keep up with this workload.....baby steps first.

    I know at my work this happens and there is only 2 of us on most times, as well as getting pumped hard with coffee orders we have to operate the register, do basic food orders(toast , croissants etc.), answer phones,do dishes, restock etc etc. at the same time....it can be mayhem and that is providing you dont make any mistakes.....
    This is why most businesses want experience, it is the skill and the ability to cope with volume plus be versitile, fast on the register, maybe some cooking skills, waiting,cleaning??? etc.

    It doesnt leave you much free time to check out nice looking girls......* :P

    But seriously good luck my friend......keep on asking around offer your services for free even just as training, smile on the face and willing to learn and do anything should get you places.
    WOW thanks a lot, Sir...
    I will always remember what you said here...
    And I am willing to learn and want to be allrounder at first.
    I am a kind of person that want to learn from the bottom and be able to do everything thus I can solve other or/and my own problem at the shop. That is my strong point.
    I understand very well what an owner want and needed but unfortunatelly my face is not my strong point (asian) and to be honest, some people are just judged the book by its cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5C52415D5E565950370 link=1316510825/24#24 date=1322992536
    unfortunatelly my face is not my strong point (asian) and to be honest, some people are just judged the book by its cover.

    I wouldnt let that worry you too much a couple of very good baristas that I know here in Melbourne are Asian. Toshi at Market Lane in Prahran and Andrew Lew the owner of the Mailing Room.
    If people looked at you and put you in the same basket as these guys you would be pretty happy ;)

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    If it is good money you are after In general I wouldnt seek a barista job especially at the beginner level.....but if you love it and have to do it then read on,

    As suggested you might have to get in washing dishes or waiting for starters and get a little time on the machine here and there when it is not busy( maybe just pulling shots for starters), nobody(sane)will throw a beginner on the machine full time into the deep end especially when sometimes you are expected to make anywhere up to 100 coffees an hour(plus other duties)you would not be able to keep up with this workload.....baby steps first.

    I know at my work this happens and there is only 2 of us on most times, as well as getting pumped hard with coffee orders we have to operate the register, do basic food orders(toast , croissants etc.), answer phones,do dishes, restock etc etc. at the same time....it can be mayhem and that is providing you dont make any mistakes.....
    This is why most businesses want experience, it is the skill and the ability to cope with volume plus be versitile, fast on the register, maybe some cooking skills, waiting,cleaning??? etc.

    It doesnt leave you much free time to check out nice looking girls......* :P

    But seriously good luck my friend......keep on asking around offer your services for free even just as training, smile on the face and willing to learn and do anything should get you places.
    Doesnt sound like you enjoy your job from that description, unless you like doing 100 things at once for 8 hours, 5 days week! :P Can the business not afford separate dishwashers, waiter/waitresses and baristas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D7B6C677D7A6260090 link=1316510825/25#25 date=1322999960
    Quote Originally Posted by 5C52415D5E565950370 link=1316510825/24#24 date=1322992536
    unfortunatelly my face is not my strong point (asian) and to be honest, some people are just judged the book by its cover.

    I wouldnt let that worry you too much a couple of very good baristas that I know here in Melbourne are Asian. Toshi at Market Lane in Prahran and Andrew Lew the owner of the Mailing Room.
    If people looked at you and put you in the same basket as these guys you would be pretty happy ;)
    I hope so :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68474E5C5A5E181C290 link=1316510825/26#26 date=1323001729
    Doesnt sound like you enjoy your job from that description, unless you like doing 100 things at once for 8 hours, 5 days week! Can the business not afford separate dishwashers, waiter/waitresses and baristas?
    I love my job but thats the way it is champ(especially in the smaller specialty cafes), it is quite hectic at times yes, and that is the life of a barista/staff working in a small but very popular cafe.

    Of course Im there to earn a living but work is not all about money, I enjoy working with and learning from my boss, she has become a good friend and I want to see her business grow even more, the other staff are great too. We have a good team.

    I just wanted to point out that the majority of owners are looking for multi skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 202E3D21222A252C4B0 link=1316510825/24#24 date=1322992536
    I understand very well what an owner want and needed but unfortunatelly my face is not my strong point (asian) and to be honest, some people are just judged the book by its cover
    Kev my employer is asian she is a great barista who has won many awards through hard work and sheer determination!

    Dont give up get yourself out there! , there are thousands of cafes out there someone will give you a start champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 062F323425400 link=1316510825/29#29 date=1323048479
    Quote Originally Posted by 202E3D21222A252C4B0 link=1316510825/24#24 date=1322992536
    I understand very well what an owner want and needed but unfortunatelly my face is not my strong point (asian) and to be honest, some people are just judged the book by its cover
    Kev my employer is asian she is a great barista who has won many awards through hard work and sheer determination!

    Dont give up get yourself out there! , there are thousands of cafes out there someone will give you a start champ.
    Thanks mate, I appreciate it.



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