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    HELP re time to use beans

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    All, I cant seem to get a reasonable explanation from local roasters so here goes. If I purchase fresh beans on the day of roasting what would be the best time in which to use the beans (if i stored them well). :P

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Im new here but ill chime in anyway.

    Let your taste dictate.

    But in my experience:

    It often takes till about day three for beans to attain best flavor.

    Some blends reach a nice full complex profile around day ten.

    Once you get beyond two weeks, complexity of flavor starts to deplete pretty rapidly.

    The development of fesh beans is one of the fun things about making coffee I reckon* :)

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 04130B09600 link=1326164208/1#1 date=1326164949
    Once you get beyond two weeks, complexity of flavor starts to deplete pretty rapidly.
    Totally disagree with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E0F050C600 link=1326164208/0#0 date=1326164208
    I cant seem to get a reasonable explanation from local roasters
    If the Roaster cant recommend when they believe their coffee is best consumed, and this is information that is important to you, then I suggest you need to find a Roaster who can provide you with this information, after which....

    Quote Originally Posted by 04130B09600 link=1326164208/1#1 date=1326164949
    Let your taste dictate.
    Cheers
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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 04130B09600 link=1326164208/1#1 date=1326164949
    Once you get beyond two weeks, complexity of flavor starts to deplete pretty rapidly.
    Quote Originally Posted by 537279797E64170 link=1326164208/2#2 date=1326168319
    Totally disagree with this.
    100% with Den on this. ;)


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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 032228214D0 link=1326164208/0#0 date=1326164208
    All, I cant seem to get a reasonable explanation from local roasters so here goes. If I purchase fresh beans on the day of roasting what would be the best time in which to use the beans (if i stored them well). :P

    Noel,

    Unusual that your roaster wont explain the simplicity
    of how to make sure the beans are at their best for your tastes, or how to store them.* :o

    There are those who say and like to try their bean straight away after roasting. Personally I find they still have that "grassy smell and taste" but thats my personal opinion. Its usual to leave the beans sit for at least 48 hrs to allow them to "degas" and then from anytime onwards. I like to allow mine to sit for at least a 1 week to 10 days before I even open the bag, but again that is personal choice.
    Its what works for you.* :)

    Store beans in a air tight container, or in the valve bag that they came in, in the cupboard away from light.
    Moisture, air and light are the biggest killers of freshly roasted beans.

    Oh and not in the fridge...as alot of people think.* :P

    -Linda

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 466A68686A785468636268606A0B0 link=1326164208/3#3 date=1326176293
    Quote Originally Posted by 04130B09600 link=1326164208/1#1 date=1326164949
    Once you get beyond two weeks, complexity of flavor starts to deplete pretty rapidly.
    Quote Originally Posted by 537279797E64170 link=1326164208/2#2 date=1326168319
    Totally disagree with this.
    100% with Den on this.* ;)

    Geez, tough crowd. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F7860620B0 link=1326164208/1#1 date=1326164949
    Once you get beyond two weeks, complexity of flavor starts to deplete pretty rapidly.
    EDIT: In my circumstance, I find that complexity of flavour starts to decrease from two weeks after the roast date.

    Quote Originally Posted by 466A68686A785468636268606A0B0 link=1326164208/4#4 date=1326176902
    Unusual that your roaster wont explain the simplicity
    of how to make sure the beans are at their best for your tastes, or how to store them. Shocked
    You are right that is strange, there are a few good roaster in Brisbane now, maybe you should find another Noel.

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F4850523B0 link=1326164208/5#5 date=1326190297
    EDIT: In my circumstance, I find that complexity of flavour starts to decrease from two weeks after the roast date.

    I reckon that would be the limitations in your equipment and possibly technique that is causing that rather than the beans themself.

    Generally speaking I find that between day 5 and day 21 the beans are good. Some are good before then and some after ;D

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 2D2B3C372D2A3230590 link=1326164208/6#6 date=1326193378
    EDIT: In my circumstance, I find that complexity of flavour starts to decrease from two weeks after the roast date.


    I reckon that would be the limitations in your equipment and possibly technique that is causing that rather than the beans themself.

    Generally speaking I find that between day 5 and day 21 the beans are good. Some are good before then and some after Grin
    Definitely likely to be a factor, thanks Trentski.

    I was thinking that Queensland heat and humidity might be a factor also.

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    You will find often commercial roasters recommend their beans are consumable up to 3-4 weeks post roast date. "Consumable" ..........yes. "Nice"...........sure. Not for me though. DSKi I agree with you whole heartedly, 2 weeks max is where Im at too. at 3 weeks it is still nice, but a fair amount of complexity and flavour has gone.

    Valid point though as we all percieve taste differently.....let taste be your guide.

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F4047444D5B40475C4944475E4D280 link=1326164208/8#8 date=1326247518
    You will find often commercial roasters recommend their beans are consumable up to 3-4 weeks post roast date.
    Actually, you will find that most commercial roasters suggest their beans are consumable for six to twelve months.

    Its more commonly the Speciality Roasters who tend to recommend 3-4 weeks. ;)

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Commercial and Specialty is such a blurry line.....

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 584740434A5C47405B4E4340594A2F0 link=1326164208/10#10 date=1326263072
    Commercial and Specialty is such a blurry line.....
    Not for me. I have come up with my own way of identifying the Speciality Roaster:

    a) A Speciality Roaster does most of the roasting personally, rarely, if at all assigning it to others;

    b) A Speciality Roaster knows his/her customers by name;

    c) A Speciality Roasters customers have the mobile phone number of said Speciality Roaster, who will pretty much answer their phone at any time of the day or night, or if not, will always return the call in a timely manner.


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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 1D3C3737302A590 link=1326164208/11#11 date=1326264429
    who will pretty much answer their phone at any time of the day or night,
    I believe the term for this is "workaholic" ;D

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    I tend to follow the 3 threes, as mentioned in other threads.

    That is......

    3 minutes for ground
    3 weeks for brown
    3 years for green

    Generally I will consume after 4 days post post and up to day 14, however the beans in questions can and will vary this time. I have recently been given some beans by another fellow coffeesnob which were fantastic at 21 days post roast.

    Noel, perhaps your roaster is reluctant to suggest a date for fear of contradicting what his trade customers might be telling their customers.

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    ....hehehehehe/.......the 3 / 3 / 3 / "rule". Glad to see some of my stuff resurfaces every now and then :)

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    It must be really difficult for commercial roasters trying to hold stock that is beyond connoisseurs expectation.

    Then I guess its the 80/20 rule that prevails* for them to stay in business. Some do try a lot harder than others to measure their roastings in keeping with freshness expectations.

    We have two commercial roasters around here. One gets agitated if the two week scenario is raised...the other completely refutes that a souring process even exists.

    Try an Illy on day two of opening its vaccum pack.

    Ive found that there is only a two-four day window of opportunity for drinking coffee at its peak before turning....and it does. This peak period can occur any time after four days and up to ten or sometimes more in the case of some ethiopians and yemen beans.

    Im not suggesting it is only nice for two-four days within the ten-twelve day period or beyond, just at its peak.....which is really frustrating if you are a keen roaster

    The difficulty is nailing the peak....and this requires drinking/tasting each day from day 3-4 as one goes through the fresh to staleing cycle ie.....acceptable, to nice, to really nice, to not as nice as yesterday, to I think Ill try something fresher.

    For me I seem to end up with lots of small amounts of leftovers about 12 days post roast.....I can really pick the staleing.

    My next door neighbour who "has been drinking coffee for 40 years, and really knows his stuff" seems to be most happy with downing a "New year special roast" in June.!!!!* *Guess he falls into the majority or 80% category.

    I might add that I dont roast for expresso, only to about 218c or a bit before second crack....and although I have two expresso machines (home) , I love the flavour of aeropress.....so this may have a bearing on my foregoing taste experiences.

    Then, there are the variables of different roasting machines.

    The coffee Gods taunt perfectionists!

    Cheers.

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 4461666051426B6A6A770E0 link=1326164208/15#15 date=1326359164
    I dont roast for expresso, only to about 218c or a bit before second crack....and although I have two expresso
    Quote Originally Posted by 4461666051426B6A6A770E0 link=1326164208/15#15 date=1326359164
    The coffee Gods taunt perfectionists!
    The word is "espresso".

    Quote Originally Posted by 487C6B7D66514D6168686B6B0E0 link=1326164208/14#14 date=1326355463
    .the 3 / 3 / 3 / "rule". Glad to see some of my stuff resurfaces every now and then
    I could wring your neck for that! ;D

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    Thank you o coffee god

    JL

    Tried to add a smiley to this ???

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    3 years for green bean!??! :o

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 2D3235363F2932352E3B36352C3F5A0 link=1326164208/18#18 date=1326422976
    3 years for green bean!??!* *:o
    My last batch of Yemen Matari was roasted at 3 years old and it actually improved with age.

    There are plenty of great aged coffees around and just as many which fall away rapidly. Like most other things, its best not to knock it if you havent tried it. :-?

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Ive roasted raw coffee beans that were more than 20 years old from the time of harvest.

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    II had access to some old Yemen Mocha. The knowledgeable commercial roaster got it as part of a "mass buy" of leftover odd lots from a S.F. Bay wholesaler. It was at the bottom of a pile, so was already "aged" when he got it. The first year or two I bought a pound or two now and then from him. After about three or four years it had yellowed and softened somewhat. The last roast I tried to get something from it I took it darker than usual to rescue some flavor (and to kill the aged flavor which was not good). It only clicked into second a couple of times, and as i waited for it to get into active second it never got there. The smoke increased dramatically and so I ejected. After I extinguished the flames and the beans cooled, I took off my hat, covered my heart and said a bit of a good bye as I dumped them into the trash bin.

    He described the beans as, "the real thing." They had amazing chocolate notes that cut through milk and made for a delicious cappa when part of a blend. I ordered some Yemen Mocha beans after that from other suppliers but none even approached the taste of those.

    "Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.."
    So true.

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Hi Randy,

    Hmm, Reckon you need and additional ET probe!!

    Cheers

    JL

    PS. still dont know how to add SMILEY??

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Hi Attilio,

    What were the beans and how did they cup?

    And if OK, how were they stored?

    Cheers

    JL

    On second thoughts, I presume they must have met some positive criteria for you to have been bothered roasting them.....Hmmm any trade secrets??

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F4A4D4B7A694041415C250 link=1326164208/22#22 date=1326496906
    PS. still dont know how to add* SMILEY??
    Below the box where you compose your post, there is a row of smileys - you just have to click on the one you want to to add it.* :) :)

    You can also use characters like : and ) OR : and P and it will convert them to: :)* :P once you post your message.

    :D D

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    Re: HELP re time to use beans

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Thank you DSKI,

    Ive been trying to click and drag :-X

    JL



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