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    Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    At $100 per kilo this is the most expensive coffee that I have ever bought and/or drunk.

    I bought half a kilo and being paranoid about destroying it needed to devise an accurate way of roasting it...


    http://mediapix-australia.com/coffee/Wallenford%20Estate%20Jamacian%20Blue%20Mountain2. JPG


    Well I didnt really roast it using tweezers and lighter, I used the Hearthware roaster. Perfect for small, even, controlled roasts.
    http://www.coffeesnobs.com.au/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=roasters;action=display;num=1099813 141


    The finished roast looked great (although this digital camera doesnt show it well)


    http://mediapix-australia.com/coffee/Wallenford%20Estate%20Jamacian%20Blue%20Mountain1. JPG

    Taste? A little early to tell (will try again tomorrow) but first impressions were that during the pour it looked like guinness until the crema finally rose to the top in a 1cm deep, thick marbled layer. Aroma and taste were surprisingly simple and nowhere near the complexities of my ethiopian favorites. After taste was exactly the same as the initial taste and lasted longer than any coffee that I remember.

    Was it 5 times better than our "standard" CoffeeSnobs coffess? Nup!

    ...but I dont regret trying it and will continue to test different roasts of my remaining 350gms

    And more importantly I can now say that I have tried JMB! ;D

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Great pics Andy. The beans look delicious.

    Interested to hear your opinions a few days from now. Maybe you can try other methods of brewing - plunger maybe?

    Good luck.

    Ed

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Hi Andy,

    Out of interest... from your photo of the completed roast it appears to be a medium roast before 2nd crack by the colour and texture of the bean. Is this the recommended roast for JBM or is this your general preference?

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Hi Mal,
    The beans started their cooling cycle just on second crack, so no, more a full roast than a medium. I roasted some more the following night as medium (err.. 1/2 way to second crack) and they were not as good IMHO.

    One thing I noticed during roasting was the very low amount of husks. Im curious if the processing of these beans is substantially different to our standard fair. (anyone know??)

    As mentioned, the digital camera colour representation is pretty lousy. I think we need a colour chart of some sort to photograph beans with. Can anyone recommend a paint chip chart or a pantone chart that we could standardise on?

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Hi again Andy,

    I think there are colour charts around specifically for coffee roasting but Im not sure where you get them from. What Ive been using though and have had reasonable success with, is the roasting chart put together by Tom of Sweet Marias. Its very comprehensive and can be found here... http://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting-VisualGuideV2.html

    Maybe it will help you our too. All the best,

    Mal.

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Hey, great page Mal. Some good info (and opinions) there but without a standard colour chart in each picture the colours can be taken with a pinch of salt.

    The first picture has a 18% gray card which is a good start but pointless without it in every picture.

    This was his single bean picture of "12. Full City+ roast":

    http://www.sweetmarias.com/roastprocess-singlebean/previews/12-454f-s.JPG

    Drill down to his "multi-bean photo" and you get:


    http://www.sweetmarias.com/roastingprocess-many-sm/12.JPG

    I for one wouldnt think these were the same roast depth!

    Ill go and have a look for brown paint charts today... dulux or similar that we can all source easily (and/or free) so that when we are discussing a colour depth we can all see what it really is.

    Of course... if the real coffee colour charts exist locally and are easily sourced then it would be just reinventing a lame wheel ;D


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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Theres a picture with 18% gray card next to the beans at all stages - http://www.sweetmarias.com/roastprocess-singlebean/roasting-allin1.jpg

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Yeah, thanks Poundy that was the one that I was refering to.

    I do have a gray card at home (err... somewhere) but doubt that everyone has and for me to workout what colour his beans are I would have to print his image, compare to my card, adjust the colour, print his image, compare to my card, adjust the colour, print his image, compare to my card, adjust the colour.... you get the idea.

    If we all had paint-chips then we could just say "I roasted to Dulux #432" and everyone who had a paint chart would know what that looked like in real life. ;D

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1109670424/0#8 date=1109896319
    If we all had paint-chips then we could just say "I roasted to Dulux #432" and everyone who had a paint chart would know what that looked like in real life. *;D
    Andy, a Dulux Agtron card.....I like it.

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Quote Originally Posted by poundy link=1109670424/0#7 date=1109894018
    Theres a picture with 18% gray card next to the beans at all stages - http://www.sweetmarias.com/roastprocess-singlebean/roasting-allin1.jpg
    Hi Poundy,

    Yep, this is the one I use... dont worry about using the individual bean photos because its impossible to achieve correlation.

    Cheers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1109670424/0#8 date=1109896319
    Yeah, thanks Poundy that was the one that I was refering to.

    I do have a gray card at home (err... somewhere) but doubt that everyone has and for me to workout what colour his beans are I would have to print his image, compare to my card, adjust the colour, print his image, compare to my card, adjust the colour, print his image, compare to my card, adjust the colour.... you get the idea.
    Hi Andy,

    I did this too, but only twice when using a Monitor Colour Balancing Utility. Printed on to high quality photo paper which I keep in a folder in a drawer when not in use. I dont use it all that often though as colour is only one of the criteria I use to determine my roast depth. Prefer to use a balance of Time, Sound and Colour and sometimes Aroma to determine when my roast is done.

    Cheers,
    Mal.

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    I bought the JBM largely out of curiosity as Im sure most of the other coffee snobs would have done. It felt like the old days to me when I first became interested in wine. My friends and I had to try the full spectrum of quality and geographical locations without a thought to the cost. I feel like I am heading down a familiar path although premium coffee prices are but a tiny fraction of those paid for the best wines of the world.

    WRT the JBM I followed Tom at Sweetmarias advice and stretched the roast to 11 minutes in my Breville air popper. At this stage a couple of snaps of second crack were audible before cooling.

    I always drink double shot espressos and the coffee was best after two days rest as suggested by Sweetmarias.

    So what was it like? To me it was a lovely mild coffee, good acidity and an aroma of baking bread, spice and a hint of chocolate. The finish was clean with no aggressive flavours. It reminded me of a Hawaiian Kona only milder. I think adding milk or sugar would kill the flavours. In wine terms I think you could liken it to a delicate pinot noir. Very enjoyable. Obviously grossly overpriced when compared to other quality coffees but like Andy, at least I can say that I have tasted JBM

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Nice review Louis.
    I think the clinker is that it was "grossly overpriced".

    I roasted it at 4 different levels last weekend, from quite light (#1) to french (#4) and the roasts at either end of the scale were.. ummm... :P while the pre second crack (#2) and just second crack (#3) versions were better.

    3 of us lined-up with 4 double shots (60ml) of JBM and one of the Bali Guning Batur. I was the only one that knew which was which.

    drum roll..... and the winner was.... BALI. :o

    Honest! 3 out of 3 people prefered the Bali over the JBM shot. In second place overall was the #3 roast, then #2 and equal last was #4 & #1.

    I think our CS buyers have spoilt us with too many good coffees ;D


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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Andy

    I havnt had the chance to try my JBM yet, however I will be certainly interested in trying it....... Its a shame really that it didnt score so well with you all... But I think your right though

    I think our CS buyers have spoilt us with too many good coffees
    Indeed we are Andy lets hope this will be the same in the future... One thing I certainly do like about CS is the opportunity that we all have to try so many beans that generally we wouldnt normally be able to have.

    The JBM has had so many reviews over the years and the cost of the bean overall would be opening up many a consumers mind to the chance that this be the UTOPIA of all beans, but alas this is not the case for everyone.

    FB :)

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    Re: Jamacian Blue Mountain - First Roast.

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    At least we have the opportunity to try some of the interesting coffees from all over the world.

    My parents got some JBM years ago and what I Remeber about it was the distinctive smell. It was the nicest smelling coffee I have come across but the taste of it wasnt that good. (yes it was most definatly JBM).
    This lot tasted better but still its not a fav of ours. Definatly worth trying tho.

    Rich



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