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    What about local beans?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    In my professional life as a business writer, I came across a struggling Queensland coffee producer who cant get a foot in the door because of the power of importers. Wouldnt it be good to include beans like his in the polls. Im sure the quality is superb, the price reasonable - and wed be doing our bit to keep our hard-earned dollars at home! If youre interested, contact me offline and Ill track down his contact details.

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    Great point.
    The problem I see with local suppliers is both the high labour cost (passed on to the end user of course) and the perceived lower quality from lack of altitude.

    Neither may be correct. ;)

    I have a feeling that we did a Skybury in the early days... but I might be dreaming though.

    Someone in the forum also bought a coffee plant and some beans from a NSW grower... hands-up who that was.

    Ill contact you and some other local producers over time and see if we can get some interest in at least an open minded look from the membership ;D

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    You pay a higher price for a lower quality product

    Is the answer Ive gotten from the few roasters Ive mentioned Australian grown beans to. Ive only tried Skybury once and I wasnt a fan, but Im willing to listen to reason :)

    Perhaps FC has some experience with Aussie beans?

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    I thought the talk from the owner of Skybury at CTB was interesting.
    He basically admitted that their product has not been up to scratch in the past, but he reckons they have their processing methods sorted out now.
    Perhaps they might be worth a try later in the year?

    As for the smaller producers, I reckon we would need someone to give them a good rap before committing to a whole bag.

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    Samples might be the way to move forward on the smaller producers.

    These could be sent to the people in the taster list for feedback to the forum.

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    Hi All,

    Heres a link to another Aussie grower/roaster who is prepared to sell green beans. Might be worth contacting to see if some samples can be arranged?
    http://www.arabicas.com.au/

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    I have some skybury which I can roast for a cupping at the next divide if you guys feel inclined?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1111475981/0#1 date=1111479137
    Someone in the forum also bought a coffee plant and some beans from a NSW grower... hands-up who that was.
    Andy that was me, I think. I still have a kilo of Norther River from Wombah Estate, which I think is in S QLD or it could be N NSW. Anyway, I can bring some to the next MLB bean divide for some tasters.

    Just say the word! ;D

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    Interested to hear feedback on Jons Wombah Estate coffee...

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    Definatly worth a go on a bag I would think. Its not so much the altitude, but knowing that youre buying from a specific farm... or estate... even if its in AU - you KNOW where its come from.

    But the testing is always in the tasting... so samples roll on.

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    Ive still got some Northern River to roast (thanks to Jon). If only I could stop doing batches of the Peru. Perhaps tomorrow!

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    Come on big fella, give the Peru a rest and try the Northern river. Give yourself a break so as to refresh your pallet, may be a chocolate might help? ;D

    I found it light and mild (though this was the bean that I learnt to roast on) defiitely not a heavy espresso base. I think it would work well in a blend.

    2Muchcoffeeman, have you tried this one yet?

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    Yes Jon- sorry I havent looked here for a while and thanks for the sample. I found berry notes typical of the aussie coffees- light to med body. It reminded me very much of skybury- a nice coffee but I wouldnt want to drink it every day ;)

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    Ive still got half left of a kilo I bought off Mark at Growers Espresso in St. Georges Road Nth. Fitzroy. It was the first ever batch of green beans I bought and roasted. I cant actually remember what it tastes like. He charged me a packet for it with the reasoning that he was going to roast it himself and sell it anyway so he was losing out by selling it to me for a lower price but he might be open to working out a deal for a larger amount. The beans come from his wifes familys plantation near Byron Bay. Details at http://www.eurekacoffee.com.au/

    Might do a roast now.

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    Hi All,

    As mentioned above, if you are keen to try out some of the local produce, I heartily recommend that you give http://www.arabicas.com.au/ a go, as they are amenable to selling Green Bean in smallish quantities (1-3 Kg) to home roasters and their pricing structure is quite reasonable. At my last purchase of a few Kilos, I paid $12.00/Kg and the beans supplied were of extremely good quality and delivered the next day by courier.

    They also supply a wide range of imported beans too but for those I much prefer our very own CS. Drop them a line and Im sure you will be suitably impressed.

    Cheers,
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    Hi
    I was wondering if the coffee would be cheaper if they dont have to worry about getting a third party to roast it for them?

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    I recently purchased some Skybury directly from them- 2Kg and I went through it in a month. Great coffee - dont ask me to put cupping notes as thats not something I can do, but it definately goes well in milk. I remember following the growers advice and gave it a slow roast to just in to 2nd crack - 20 mins in the drum roaster.
    Id love to get more but found the price is a little high for me - I try not to go past $12 per Kg.

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    I heard a story at the roast-a-rama...... CS might have access to some cheap Skybury in the near future (it was the wrong sized bean for a big roasting outfit and they have pallets of the stuff!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1111475981/15#17 date=1128945075
    I heard a story at the roast-a-rama...... CS might have access to some cheap Skybury in the near future (it was the wrong sized bean for a big roasting outfit and they have pallets of the stuff!)
    Hmmm,

    Sounds very intriguing if the price is right.... have to make sure I keep an eye out ;D

    Good one Andy,
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    I recently took a trip with a mate to add mileage to my leased vehicle, he has heaps of mates around Aus to stay with, and we were taken up to Mount Tambourine, where we found a local coffee plantation with a beautiful shop front, being an art lover, this was prevalent. We bought a Cappucino each, sat down to admire the surroundings and the art, and with first taste, all we couldnt help but say, wow, what a great coffee. * *;)

    I asked the proprietor where it came from....answer, from their own farm out back and down the hill slopes, all organic from start to finish. Next question, green beans, "yes" was the answer, 250gm is $7.50, which I thought was very reasonable.

    I now order their Arabica green beans, and as Ive now been tainted by this coffee bug and roast my own, it is superb, and makes for a great base to mix others with.

    They do have a website, yet to function properly, but all I did was email them, ended up ringing to give my credit card details, and now all I have to do is email the order through and its usually here in 2 to 3 days.

    Here is their basic website with phone and email on it link removed by mods- there are plenty of green beans sellers here ;)
    Hope people do order some and give it go, and as another small Aussie concern, it would be good for our local coffee growers to flurish.

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    Smoky you proabbaly want to change your last post. Site sponsors alreadys sell green beans, as well as bean bay of course. So it wont be long before a mod comes and deletes the advertisment and link.

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    Besides which my last BeanBay buy worked out to under $12kg including shipping.
    If I went to a pickup pont I could lower that cost a bit more.

    At $7-50 for 250g thats a bit rich for my blood.
    I pay $11-50 for 250g roasted by one of the best.

    Obviously though the cost should also go down in bulk.

    But probably the best option for them and us is to talk to Andy about coming on board as sponsors and/or BeanBay suppliers.

    I should think theyd relish getting into a deal to supply CoffeeSnobs.

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    $7.50 per 250g of greens... nope... no way!!

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    Had to offer a different opinion on the Mt Tambourine Coffee Plantation" / Cafe......Ive tried this place on two occasions and bean very disapppointed , both times. Maybe I just caught them on a bad day (both times!). I ordered double shot lattes and the result was underextracted espresso, no visible crema,sclading milk. A group of 4 Sydneysiders at the next table had the same experience and all coffees were left half consumed,not a good sign. I gave them a second chance,after all, the potential of this place is huge- location/uniqueness/tourist area/ premises ,same result...............perhaps they spend too much time on their cakes/artwork!
    And is "Arabica the best name they can come up with for their beans......?

    I didnt get a chance to view their plantation but from what I saw there was hardly enough trees to supply a coffeesnob in green beans for a month........maybe they have a larger plantation elsewhere?


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    Hmm, sorry about the link, new then to this site and forgot the rules.

    On your experience beanmeupScotty, we went back 3 times in as many days before coming back to Central Western NSW, and werent dissapointed with any of the coffee they made us, and dont what you were looking at, as they had quite few trees out back, but more up the mountain a bit further as well. Ok, they arent a big concern, and yes, as it was stated a bit back in this forums posts, Aussie coffee is a bit more expensive, but $7.50 is not all that expensive, a bit, but then I just ordered a Kilo of green beans from there and it cost me $14.95 incl postage, which is comparable with other suppliers around the country who sell overseas beans by the way.

    We all have our tastes, the 3 guys who tasted this coffee are cofffe addicts, especially me, and it considering some of the coffee tasted around the country in the trips we make, this was out of heaven.

    And gee, what are they supposed to call the coffee, any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky link=1111475981/15#24 date=1173182832
    Aussie coffee is a bit more expensive, but $7.50 is not all that expensive, a bit, but then I just ordered a Kilo of green beans from there and it cost me $14.95 incl postage, which is comparable with other suppliers around the country who sell overseas beans by the way.
    ... so its $7.50 for 250g green, but $14.95 including postage for 1kg?!

    And gee, what are they supposed to call the coffee, any suggestions?
    The trend seems to be to call everything somethingorother estate. So an obvious name would be whatever the surname of the owner is and then estate. Or maybe some aboriginal sounding word.

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    Mt Tambourine Blackberry.............Hilltop Hoodberry....Hinterland Hard Bean...................Rainforest Luwak..........I dunno,something a bit more imaginative than "Arabica"................

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    Ill let them know that renaming the coffee will make it taste better :D

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    Just as red cars go faster.

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    I had a laugh, tell the black Ferrari that ;D ;)

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    Went up to the Mount Tamborine Coffee Plantation to collect my local greens and their carpark was full with 2 other cars waiting for a park....they must be doing something right!! Really enjoyed my flat white organic (as per usual), the food was to die for....go the Lumberjack Cake with fresh cream..mmmmm. Staff were great, dont take themselves too seriously...where else can you sit in a courtyard surrounded by coffee trees with fruit ripening on them while listening to dub versions of Massive Attack, Bowie, Nick Cave and the likes of? P.S and i agree with the owners, white Porsches are better than Ferraris, black or red.

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    I own a coffee support co. in the US called Great Infusions (Commercial link removed by Mods). I am going to begin selling premium beans next month in my shop.

    I joined this forum just for this conversation after reading the June Tea & Coffee article titled "Australia Perfect Combination". The Farm in Queensland run by Peter Phillips seems to defy all my Yank training. Our market is really driven by the mountain grown, shade grown & now organic & fair trade issues. This farm is a plantation harvested mechanically and looks like any other crop from the arial photo.

    Here in the US we dont get much Ausy beans so I am looking to you people to set it straight - - Is this lowland plantation style grown coffee as great as this article claims?

    thanks, Sebastian Little

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    Ill take a stab and that what Australian coffee lacks in altitude would be made up for in cultivation and processing/grading. Here in Australia we dont get many Aussie beans either. ;) There are only 3 plantations that I know of off the top of my head. I would imagine that Australias total production would only be a couple of hundred tonnes.

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    just to add I said I coule only think of three plantations off the top of my head. there are more then this I just cant think of them.

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    I know of about 20 + growers from Cooktown to Nowra but have only tried product from 16.Most sell their crop to larger growers who add it to their harvest to make it go further.

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    Nowra? Wouldnt frost be an issue there?

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    The frost does not affect the cherries negatively.It helps bring the sugar levels up as does a small amount of water,but too much water can split the cherry open so then you have to harvest immediately or you lose em.That is why altitude grown coffee is a superior product,cooler conditions means the cherry stays on the plant longer,sweeter coffee is the result but can be a wee bit tricky when roasting as it caramalises very quickly and can burn if left too long. I have heard of people successfully growing coffee in the burbs of Melbourne.North facing,rich free draining soil in large dark coloured pots ,keep them out of the wind.....easy.

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    Cool... just bought my first Coffee Plant... so thats encouraging :-)

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    Hi All,
    I used to drink only mailorder coffee from a guy who runs a place called "Rosebank Coffee" out near Rosebank out back of Nimbin, Byron etc. The quality wasnt excelllent, but it was unususual and service was friendly. The old bloke basically turned his dairy into a Coffee/Macadamia farm on the back of some government incentive scheme in the late 80s, didnt really pay off though. I still have a kilo of old green beans from his place, must try roasting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatinfusions link=1111475981/30#31 date=1184853371
    I own a coffee support co. in the US called Great Infusions (Commercial link removed by Mods). I am going to begin selling premium beans next month in my shop.

    I joined this forum just for this conversation after reading the June Tea & Coffee article titled "Australia Perfect Combination". The Farm in Queensland run by Peter Phillips seems to defy all my Yank training. Our market is really driven by the mountain grown, shade grown & now organic & fair trade issues. This farm is a plantation harvested mechanically and looks like any other crop from the arial photo.

    Here in the US we dont get much Ausy beans so I am looking to you people to set it straight - - Is this lowland plantation style grown coffee as great as this article claims?

    thanks, Sebastian Little

    Hi Sebastion,

    Some more experienced than I have reported in the past that Australian grown and processed coffee wasnt that good, or perhaps wasnt worth the price it cost.
    However more recently a few ventures have seriously tried to improve the quality.
    I have tried MTC Boomerang, and can confirm that it is a very good coffee, seems to be well processed, roasts very even, and makes a great brew, relatively sweet and full bodied. Can be drunk as a SO or would make a great bean to blend with.
    Tom from Sweet Marias had some good comments about the MTC beans also.
    I believe that there are some other very good Aussie grown and processed beans,
    but havent tried any others as yet,
    and there would no doubt be some ordinary ones as well.

    ("MTC" = "Mountain Top Cooperative" if I remember correctly)

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    Hey Sinkas

    The quality wasnt excelllent, but it was unususual .........

    From out the back of Nimbin are you sure it wasnt some funny weed mixed in with it???

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    Nah dot hink so, but I did ask for some "Green" Beans, better check I didnt bring contra-ban back to the wild west...!

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    Ive just recieved some greens from Chesterfield Park Estate in the Byron area. Roasted it dark as was suggested from the growers. Its very Malabar-esk with a serious parchment flavour, some nice chocolate in the background and a hint of spice. Thin body but very easy drinking, the next batch I might roast a little darker and see if I can highlight the choc, spice notes and dull the parchment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullitt link=1111475981/30#39 date=1185314251
    Quote Originally Posted by greatinfusions link=1111475981/30#31 date=1184853371
    I own a coffee support co. in the US called Great Infusions (Commercial link removed by Mods). I am going to begin selling premium beans next month in my shop.

    I joined this forum just for this conversation after reading the June Tea & Coffee article titled "Australia Perfect Combination". The Farm in Queensland run by Peter Phillips seems to defy all my Yank training. Our market is really driven by the mountain grown, shade grown & now organic & fair trade issues. This farm is a plantation harvested mechanically and looks like any other crop from the arial photo.

    Here in the US we dont get much Ausy beans so I am looking to you people to set it straight - - Is this lowland plantation style grown coffee as great as this article claims?

    thanks, Sebastian Little

    Hi Sebastion,

    Some more experienced than I have reported in the past that Australian grown and processed coffee wasnt that good, or perhaps wasnt worth the price it cost.
    However more recently a few ventures have seriously tried to improve the quality.
    I have tried MTC Boomerang, and can confirm that it is a very good coffee, seems to be well processed, roasts very even, and makes a great brew, relatively sweet and full bodied. Can be drunk as a SO or would make a great bean to blend with.
    Tom from Sweet Marias had some good comments about the MTC beans also.
    I believe that there are some other very good Aussie grown and processed beans,
    but havent tried any others as yet,
    and there would no doubt be some ordinary ones as well.

    ("MTC" = "Mountain Top Cooperative" if I remember correctly)

    Regards
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    Hi Boys and girls,

    I have loaded parts of a conversation I had with Andrew from mountain Top on my page.

    I apologise for the sound quality, it was my first go!

    Let me know what you think!

    http://www.pressoaustralia.com/coffee-tips.html

    You have to scroll down the bottom of the page.

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    Royalty now Cameron?

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    The very same Andrew Ford is sending some of the very same excellent Mountain Top coffee for the next BeanBay.

    ...but its a surprise. Shhhh...
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    Whats that.... A surprise you say Andy.... Ive tried the mtc boomerang before, I found it to be quite nice indeed, I guess youve now baited me for the next beanbay and I havent yet received this one in the mail... I reckon youre just a shrewd salesman Andy........

    I love it mate I really do, I hang out for beanbay every month, one of these days my missus will catch on to how much I am spending every month and the crap will probably hit the fan, but until then, "bring it on".... "Tally Ho" and all that stuff........ I think Im tired, Im monologging..... Ray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1111475981/30#44 date=1187700287
    Royalty now Cameron?
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    its a new thing Im trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1111475981/45#45 date=1187702224
    The very same Andrew Ford is sending some of the very same excellent Mountain Top coffee for the next BeanBay.

    ...but its a surprise. Shhhh...
    :)
    Also dont tell anyone that we roasted some to blend with some yauco selecto for this weekends syphon extravaganza!

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