There is another picture that somehow got missed on the previous post. I hope you can see the chip on the rim
OK, after my successful efforts at backflushing, got all excited and decided to give Rocky a spring clean as well. I have been sort of cleaning it daily, but I hadn’t taken it apart before.
Firstly, I think I should tell you that when I first got it, I attempted to follow the directions on http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...abad357b9c0312 to set the zero point. Couldn’t do it. When I attempted to turn the adjustment, it got stuck at a certain point. On some further reading, I found that there is a screw in it somewhere that needs to be permanently removed. As I couldn’t find it, I decided to “think about it tomorrow”. :P So, tomorrow has arrived. ;D
I managed to take it apart, removed the three screws and the hopper. Discovered a long screw underneath, which I presume is the screw that’s meant to be permanently removed. At least, I hope it is, because I have no idea where it came out of. I only noticed it after I removed the hopper. :(
I am following the instructions on how to clean it on http://www.coffeegeek.com/guides/cleanrocky . . Mine is different in that it is doserless. The next step, after removing the three screws and the hopper (after cleaning that bit, which Ive done) is meant to be: “remove the top 1lb burr plate and brass holder. Give it a BIG TIME scrubbing with your brush, bristle brush (toothbrush), can of compressed air, all away from the Rocky (I do it outside).”
I can’t budge it. I am not game to be too rough with it, but it seems like it is attached with something, but I can’t see any more screws that need undoing. So, am I doing something wrong?
I’m annoyed at myself for starting this; about to do a course, I’m sure I will be shown how to do it properly! Anyway, now that it is in pieces, what do I do? Is it OK to leave that long screw out of it from underneath? Also, there is a chip on the burr plate (that I definitely didn’t cause) should I worry about that?[img][/img]
There is another picture that somehow got missed on the previous post. I hope you can see the chip on the rim
Which course are you going to do? Id be surprised if any course could cover dismantling specific grinders; maybe just a general overview of cleaning grinders, but I doubt that intro courses have much time for actually dismantling one ...
I cant quite remember what the long screw inside my rocky does, but I vaguely remember thinking that it was kinda superfluous last time I saw it.
I think that you might find that the burr carrier is just plain stiff. I know that when I screw mine in its always stiff at some points. One way to get more leverage is to screw the hopper in and turn the hopper, holding the adjustment tab down when you do so ... actually, I think that that might be where the long screw comes in; I think that it might prevent you from removing the hopper and burr carrier.
(Too lazy to open my Rocky up for you; its all teflon taped up and cleaned out with urnex grindz - humming along quite nicely, thankyou very much)
I cant really make out a chip in the photo ... unless its that discolouration on the furthest side of the throat of the burr carrier. If so, it is of absolutely no consequence. In fact, unless the chip is actually on the blades, I very much doubt that it is significant. Rockys are pretty shoddy as far as fit and finish goes.
From memory, theres a how to on cleaning a dosered rocky, complete with a picture walkthrough, in the resources section of coffeegeek.
Advanced espressoOriginally Posted by luca link=1141617841/0#2 date=1141646897
It think its meant to stop you from changing the zero point.Originally Posted by luca link=1141617841/0#2 date=1141646897
Well, that was the problem, I was trying to pull it off, didnt realise it unscrewed *:-[Originally Posted by luca link=1141617841/0#2 date=1141646897
Please explain *;D *Teflon taped up how? *what is "urnex grindz "?Originally Posted by luca link=1141617841/0#2 date=1141646897
*Originally Posted by luca link=1141617841/0#2 date=1141646897
Thats the one *::)
Thatt s the one I was following. *Thats the one that said: "remove the top 1lb burr plate and brass holder." not unscrew *:DOriginally Posted by luca link=1141617841/0#2 date=1141646897
I was also trying to follow the CoffeeKids instructions http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...abad357b9c0312 on how to set the zero point. * *He says "Turn it on. Keep everything else VERY quiet - the Rocky is extremely
quiet without any beans - one of the perks of a high end grinder. " *Mine definitely isnt quiet. *I have no idea what it sounded like before I dismantled it, but am now worried that I didnt re-assembled it correctly. *How do I check? *(I did leave the long screw out, not even sure exactly where it fits.
From what I can make out of it from the photo, it looks like it could be an accidental machining while the rest of the carrier was being machined, and like Luca, I dont think its anything to worry about.Also, there is a chip on the burr plate (that I definitely didnt cause) should I worry about that?
Re: the long screw.... It beats me where this comes from as mine didnt have one at all (same Rocky as yours, a Doserless). However, the Lux I owned before the Rocky had a longer screw fitted into one of the grind step indexing holes to prevent you setting the grind so fine that the burrs started to grind against each other :o. If its intended for this purpose, then it might be a good idea to try and find where it came from and refit it.... just as a matter of safety for Rocky :).
Originally Posted by Judy link=1141617841/0#3 date=1141649740
Im not sure what teflon taping refers to, but here is a link to a short video (1.4MB) I came across a while ago that demonstrates the Grindz in use.
From best I can tell these are they, available from CoffeeParts. http://www.coffeeparts.com/accessories/cleaner.html
Expensive for two doses but they seem effective.
Funny thing is I have asked about these ages ago, no one here knew it or used it. *Mind you, not sure if its the same thing, they are *Grinder Cleaning Tablets, not Grindz. *Obviously they would do the same thing though. *Originally Posted by lochness link=1141617841/0#5 date=1141686198
I now wish I had used them, instead of dismantling my Rocky *:( *I have a feeling I stuffed it up, no idea how to fix it. *I ground some coffee this morning. *Didnt sound right. *There is a "sound" that wasnt there before when it is stopping. *Then, about when I got *the filter about 3/4 full, it stopped grinding. *I wasnt game to experiment any further, in case I do some real damage (if I hadnt already) *The grind itself was OK, until it stopped grinding. *The machine didnt stop, it just stopped producing coffee
Any ideas anyone, what could be wrong *:(
Well, from what I read, that screw is (as you say) to stop you grinding the burrs. They say that the only disadvantage of having it off is that it lets the hopper move quickly unless you hold on to it, while adjusting it.Originally Posted by Mal link=1141617841/0#4 date=1141655469
I suppose I sould figure out where it came from, and as it looks as though I will have to take it apart again, I may do so
As far as cleaning out the Rocky on a regular basis is concerned, all you need to do is adjust the grind to a very coarse setting ~30+, add about a quarter of a cup of uncooked rice, place a container under the spout and let er rip.
If you do this about once per month, and a vacuum clean about once every six months... your Rocky will stay as clean as a whistle for all of its long life ;D,
Grrrrr, I hate my laptop. *Just finished this post, clicked on “post” it lost the connection, hence the entire post. *Now, to try to remember what I wrote. *>:(
Somebody up there doesn’t like me! *I have tried to send this three times (saved it to word the third time around, luckily) and my laptop kept losing its connection. *I have now logged on to the PC, just to send this. * >:(
Funny, never heard of the rice thing until today. *Saw a mention of it during my search for a solution to my present problem. *Glad you explained how to use it, the web page I saw didnt. *;D *So, I gather, the rice does the same thing as the Grindz does? *If I ever manage to get poor Rocky back together again, I certainly will think twice before taking it apart again! *::) *Do you take it apart for vacuuming?
Meanwhile, Im hoping someone is a night-owl like me and is reading this, otherwise I cant have my morning coffee *:(
Took it apart again, started re-reading CoffeeGeeks instructions. *There is this paragraph that the more I read it the more Im not sure:
Once cleaned, clean out your doser well, and reasemble the vanes and plate. Screw your top burr back in, turn it until you feel resistance, then turn it back a couple of revolutions. Plug Rocky in, turn it on and gently turn your burr until you hear a whisper of the burrs touch (watch your fingers). This is your zero point. Note the screw position.
I must be really dense, but... *When "turning it gently" do I press down the adjusting lever? *Does *"turning it on" mean have the power on, or press the grinder button? *With the grinder button on, it certainly isnt whisper quiet!
When I did it yesterday, I pressed the grinder button when I did it (and didnt press the adjusting lever)
I obviously did something wrong yesterday, so I want to make sure I understand it correctly. *It is sitting here all in pieces, and its going to stay like that until I figure out what I did wrong. *Might have to get up early enough to give myself time to go up the street for my morning coffee *:(
The long screw, btw, screws in under the hopper, next to one of the three screws (at about 73). *What I still cant figure out is where exactly the end goes in the bottom.
The top and bottom burrs screw together.
Bottom burr stays still, top one moves.
The instructions refer to the belief that you will have unscrewed comletely to clean and are now re-assembleing.
Power should be off for all of this part.
Screw the top burr back into the bottom burr and continue to screw until you feel the resistance.
Then move it back a bit.
No, the lever does not need to be pushed.
Now, re-connect power.
MAKING SURE that the burrs are not touching, and keeping appendages very clear, you turn the grinder on. It should just hum as it would when you finish the beans in the hopper.
GENTLY tighten the top burr until you hear/feel the slightest noise or resistance. That is zero point .
Hope that helps you.
So far, so good *:POriginally Posted by fatboy link=1141617841/0#10 date=1141771259
Which AFIK is exatly what I thought I did the first time around. *The noise, btw, is definitely lounder than a hum. *When I put coffee in, it didnt sound right. *Mainly it didnt sound right when I stopped grinding - sounded as though something was touching something. *Then, it stopped producing coffee when the basket was about 3/4 full. *Grinder was still moving, but no coffee was coming out. *Thats when I panicked and turned it off.Originally Posted by fatboy link=1141617841/0#10 date=1141771259
I have now taken it apart again, cant see anything wrong. *I have just decided to take it down to the shop Ive bought it from. *He will either say "you did what?" :exclamation and tell me that this killed the warranty and I will have to pay for the "repair", or hell be nice and have a look at it for me. *The Rocky manual doesnt even mention cleaning, so obviously you arent EVER meant to clean it. * :D
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Well, just took it down to the shop Ive bought it from. *You DO NOT ever need to clean the insides of the Rocky, I was told. *But, said I, it was full of stuck on coffee, which would go rancid if you left it in. *No, it wouldnt he said, what you saw was what was left from your last grind, which would work its way out during the next grind, so it would never stay in there long enough to go rancid. *
He then said he will try to fix it. *Took it apart (I put it back together for its trip down to the car) asked me what else Ive taken off. *Told him I unscrewed the burr. *He did the same, then screwed it back on, then loosened it by two turns, but he didnt even attempt to set it to zero point, put it back together with 30 pointing to the front, while continuing to lecture me on never to take it apart (which I probably wont * :(- start using rice or tablets) Plugged it in, it sounded sicker than it did at home. *It is jammed, he announced. *So, poor Rocky is being sent to the doctors *:( *He will next go to Moccopan next Wednesday, (should have taken it down yesterday :() may be ready the following Wednesday, or the one after that. *:( :( *He also warned me that it may cost me some money.
So, *I had to buy some ground coffee *:(
I am still not convinced that it really needs a doctors visit, because I really dont think I did anything that could have killed it, but I have no choice *:(
I wonder if he has the same opinion on the ginders they use in the shop? (never needing a clean)
This sure is turning into a bit of a saga :(.
By the way, I dont know of anyone who is serious about great coffee never cleaning out their grinder..... what a strange thing to say :-?. With taking it apart and re-assembling it a few times, it might be possible that some coffee cuttings may have worked their way into the motor and become jammed between the rotor and the stator, which causes the motor to hum very loudly, sounds a bit like a growl and the rotor to stop turning. I suppose this is possible but I wouldnt have thought that a few grains of coffee would do this..... Will have to wait and see I guess.
Re: vacuuming Rocky..... after doing the rice trick, I unplug Rocky from the power socket, just unscrew the top burr carrier with the coffee bin still attached, use one of those vacuum attachments with a small nozzle on the end and then get stuck into it where ever the nozzle will reach. This gets every last grain of coffee out that I can see and Im pretty fussy when it comes to cleaning out my coffee equipment :D.
Anyway Judy, I hope the problem with Rocky is only a small one and that you will be back in business ASAP, and not too much out of pocket either :o. All the best,
Aint it *:(Originally Posted by Mal link=1141617841/0#13 date=1141799798
I know, I presume he thinks his grinders are also self-cleaning. *BTW, I mentioned the rice to him, he nearly fainted. * ;D *He said, well, if you want to definitely kill your Rocky and void your warranty and pay hundreds for repairs....Originally Posted by Mal link=1141617841/0#13 date=1141799798
I doubt that very much, I brushed and vacuumed, turned it upside down so I dont see how I could have missed a bean. *Not that I have any idea what a rotor or a stator is when theyre at home *;DOriginally Posted by Mal link=1141617841/0#13 date=1141799798
Well, now I wish Id have played some more with my already dead Rocky. *I did try to unscrew it with the hopper still attached once, but couldnt figure it out. *As I had other things to worry about, I gave up.Originally Posted by Mal link=1141617841/0#13 date=1141799798
Me too, Im going to hate having no grinder for weeks, regardless *:(Originally Posted by Mal link=1141617841/0#13 date=1141799798
It sounds to me like the burrs were too close to each other and a shear pin/disc/gear (Im not familiar with the Rocky so I dont know what it has for internal protection) gave out. :(
Java "I hate when that happens!" phile
Me either Java,Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1141617841/15#15 date=1141822892
Even though I own and use one :-[. Ive never delved that deeply into the innards of mine..... heartily agree with the fraternity that says "If it aint broke then dont fix it" ;D. Youre a member of that one arent you Java ;),
I had a laugh Indeed I am Mal, indeed I am! And for the most part I adhere to that philosophy, for the most part. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] As I love deconstructing things so much it can be really hard not to dive into some new piece of equipment just to see what makes it tick, but I manage to resist the temptation....usually. ;DOriginally Posted by Mal link=1141617841/15#16 date=1141825142
Java "If it aint broke, dont fu*k with it!" phile
I think there seem to be some misunderstandings here in this topic.
A coffee equipment trader that advises his clients they should not try to get into or dismantle their grinder is giving them the proper advice. There are no user serviceable parts inside the grinder, and what has happened to Judy plainly exemplifies what can happen when clients attempt to fix something that aint broke, particularly when they do not have the requisite experience.
If this grinder is now rendered inoperable, there is very little likelihood it could have been caused by anything other than it being subject to unnecessary dismantling. Readers should also note that as such, it isnt a warrantable problem and will probably require payment of a small charge to rectify or reassemble as necessary. *How could this be deemed to be unreasonable in the circumstances?
The very best outcome for Judy is infact to pay the ransom & get the grinder back properly assembled so she can get on with her coffee drinking pleasure.
Grinders are intended to be used regularly. A trader is giving proper advice if he advises there will be little or no build up of oily deposits in the teeth of the burrs. Every time the grinder is switched on (regularly), the grinds caught inbetween the burrs are flung out, to be replaced by fresh grinds etc.... The grinder is in regular use ( as it should be), the grinds flung out are not "old" or had time to go "rancid (particularly in domestic use where you may only be loading enough beans in the hopper for the immediate use), and if you dismantle *a grinder that has had all the beans in the hopper ground through and "emptied" until there is nothing *left in the grinding chamber, you will find there is little to no build up between the teeth.
There will be a little build up in the outer edge/corner of the area in which the burrs are situated, because this is the area where the grinds are flung to, but is just outside the effective sweeping area of the 3 or so "vanes" that sweep *& throw the grinds out into the container or group handle. There will be a little build up on the sweepers.
The build up is negligible. It turns to a hard rubbery substance that sticks hard & cannot be budged except by scraping with a hard instrument. It cannot get into your coffee (it is stuck fast in the areas mentioned) it will not make your coffee taste "rancid", and frankly anyone that says thay can taste the difference in their coffee when they do not clean their grinder of this material, is dreaming. *Show me a proper scientific experiment that proves this is so, and then I will believe!
The REAL build up of oily smelly garbage is at the bottom of the inlet throat of the bean hopper. This results in a greasy mass accumulating at the entrance to the top burr. You can get to this by simply removing the hopper (and washing it in warm soapy water while its off), gently scraping around the exposed top of the grinder, and sucking it out with a vacuum cleaner...no need to dismantle anything.
These special interest Lists have a responsibility to disseminate quality, realistic *information about the subject at hand, not make people paranoid with unnecessary details that can ultimately destroy one of the simple pleasures in life.
Coffee, even at the "coffeesnob" level, doesnt need to be made THAT hard for you. Relax, leave your grinder (& other equipment) alone (except as per my cleaning advice above & as posted in the grinder section in early March), and enjoy.
Oh dear! *Thank you for the advice, I wish Id read it before I started playing with it *:(
I honestly thought you need to get rid of all the stuck on stuff every so often. *I used to have an el cheapo grinder years ago (Braun, I think it was) its manual (and come to think of it, Saeco Magics as well) definitely instructed you to take it apart and clean of all the residue from the burrs "regularly"
I honestly thought it needed to be done every so often and as I had it for about 4 months, I thought it was way past time to do it. *I thought I was slack for having put it off this long. *:P
In my defence, I did a lot of reading, and the instructions I followed by CoffeeGeek, sounded legitimate to me. *In fact lots of other “legitimate” places referred people to that page, so it seemed to me that it must be a well used/tried page. *In fact, I’d swear that Alan Frew gave it as a link as well, but now can’t find it. * >:(
Believe me, I won’t be taking it apart ever again! *::) *
Having said that, I must say that there was an awful lot of yuck in between the two burrs, the hardened on stuff, which is what I would have thought would become rancid after a while. *It wouldn’t even budge with a toothbrush, had to pick it off with a toothpick (wasn’t game to start scraping at it with anything metal) *I then sucked it all out with a vacuum cleaner. *The next day, when I opened it *up again, there was only some loose coffee, no hardened on stuff. *Just sucking it out with the vacuum and a bit of brushing with the toothbrush was all that was needed.
So, can I ask, I gather you don’t recommend the tablets/rice either?
Oh, just thought of another question. *What would you do, if you were going away on holidays, so wont be using the Rocky for a while? *
Yes, I also dont recommend placing anything other than coffee beans in the grinder. As far as I am concerned use of "cleaners" is simply unnecessary and in some cases particularly where some may not follow the instructions to the letter, could result in damage to the equipment.
Re leaving the grinder to sit unused while you go on holidays.....its the same as when you are at home using it.........just brush it out with an artists brush and suck it out with the vacuum cleaner before you leave. Works for me!
Have a nice holiday.
I wish! ::) This was just an "in case" question ;DOriginally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1141617841/15#20 date=1142045047
What was the final result with the Rocky. Did they tell you the problem or just charge you heaps of $$$ to put it back together? :-/
Wasnt told what was wrong, except I got a lecture on never doing it again. *He said that the people at Moccopan wanted to know why I dont buy a TV and watch that, instead of playing with the Rocky. *There was no charge, however. * ;DOriginally Posted by Matt G link=1141617841/15#22 date=1144366413
Mind you, I havent tried it yet. *Slept in this morinig, so made a quick cuppa on the Sunbean
Thats good news :)
I think you had a lucky escape!
Hi Judy,Originally Posted by Judy link=1141617841/15#23 date=1144397232
Thats great news [smiley=thumbsup.gif]. Sounds like you received excellent service from Mocopan too, even it came with a bit of free advice :-[ with the service charge. Youll be back into the swing of things pretty soon I would imagine 8-),
Im in trouble again! * :( *Im starting to think that I have to be kept away from all machinery! *:(
I set up the Rocky and decided to pack the Sunbeam up, in its box, to give to my son. *
BTW, I had quite a bit of trouble taking the "group handle locator" off, it got stuck on the cut out of the milk bottle mod I made. :P
Took the hopper off. *There were some beans left behind in the burr. *I was planning to vacuum it out, but in the meantime decided to upend it, to get the beans out. *Did that, then noticed on the sink (where I did it) two washer looking thingies (originally I thought it was one, the two were on top of each other) *I dont think they are rubber, feels like some hard material (not game to try and bend them) *No idea where they came from. *On second thoughts, Im glad I didnt vacuum it *::)
Any idea what they could be and where they came from?
I do have to say that I dont feel quite so stupid about this as I did about the Rocky. *The Sunbean instructions suggest you should clean the burrs every three weeks if you use it daily. *In fact, it suggests removing the top burr as well (which I hadnt done, I only removed the hopper). *So, unless one of you clever people can tell me what these things are and where they belong, I shall be phoning Sunbean on Monday