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    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Havent tried it, but the origin of food never ceases to amaze. Take the coffee bean itself -- If I pick this unpalatable red berry, remove the pulp, let it dry, then roast till its a dark brown -- but not too light or dark -- I bet I can create a drink which will set the world ablazewith a cultural phenomenon.

    Ditto for malt, hops and beer, wheat and pasta and the list goes on.

    The Kopi Luwak may be an exotic beverage, but am I game to remove natural inhibitions and try it? Well, am I? ......

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    Nope, I have no intention of drinking anything that comes from the bum of a small furry animal. I place it in the same category as haggis. Im not that concerned if I leave this world never having tried it :).

    The selling point is that the Luwak supposedly only picks the best beans for eating and the stomach does something to the beans. Doesnt really impress me. What would impress me is if they train the little buggers to place the beans in a basket strapped to their backs. Id like to see that! ;D

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    Hello, has anyone ever actually tried Kopi Luwak?
    Here ya go! :) http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1118739575/0#0

    Java "Whos gonna try it next?" phile

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    Sorry to wade into this one a little late, yes I have tried it, no I didnt like it.


    Much more of a coffee experiance than a enjoyable

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Valerian link=1142657156/0#0 date=1142657156
    Hello, has anyone ever actually tried Kopi Luwak?
    From my understanding the Luwak or Luak (I have seen it spelt both ways) is a small mammal in Sumatra that eats coffee beans off the plant, * cannot digest them and so passes them through and out. *I dont get it! *I find it hard to imagine someone thinking to themselves - Hey, theres some Luwak poo and it has coffee beans in it. Now if I fish the beans out, wash them, roast them, then grind them up and make a cup of coffee I bet it will taste pretty good".
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    I wonder who the first person was that thought, Ill eat the thing that just came out the back door of that chook ;D

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    Yes - I had it in a tiny roaster/coffee maker in Hong Kong where it was delicious, rich, cruchy and you could taste it for a good hour after drinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by 614C417C74464A50230 link=1142657156/6#6 date=1245667506
    where it was delicious, rich, cruchy
    No surprises there! ;D



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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    Quote Originally Posted by 1E3F343433295A0 link=1142657156/7#7 date=1245674531
    Quote Originally Posted by 614C417C74464A50230 link=1142657156/6#6 date=1245667506
    where it was delicious, rich, cruchy
    No surprises there! *;D
    Yep- I cupped it with Austin Powers...he thought it was nutty ::) ;D

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    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D "It IS shit Austin"

    ;D ;D ;D ;D


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    I tried it and it has very distinctive flavour and smell. I was born and raised in Lampung (Down south of Sumatra Island) and coffee luwak is very common there.

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    Interesting - I thought the reason why it was so expensive was because droppings from wild civet cats were few and rare. Rumour has it some places are now farming civet cats... which may explain why its more common.

    I had the opportunity to try Kopi Luwak at last years CafeBiz. Espresso shot from a Giotto, quite smooth and flavour lingering. But seriously could not distinguish nor justify why I would pay so much more for the flavour. Besides my palate is not that well refined!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1B18501B18280 link=1142657156/11#11 date=1246528274
    Interesting - I thought the reason why it was so expensive was because droppings from wild civet cats were few and rare.
    ...these days the civets are on a much healthier hi-fibre diet and so theres kopi poopoo for all ;D

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    I tried Kopi Luwak in Hong Kong and it was delicious. Great body, aromatic (not pooey), and a long after taste. I went back for another the next day!

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    I agree, i tried a cup of it in one of the Merlo roasting houses in Brisbane. Nice but not worth the price.

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    I get asked every now and then to get a hold of some, and one of my brokers does carry it. However, I cant see that the taste is outstanding in any way after perusing some reviews and so why would I pay that price?
    The price is probably justified though, as the fermentation process in this case is a little slower when attempting to fill large orders. ;)

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    I recently bought a 100g pack of kopi luwak at Bali airport (for US$12). Couldnt buy the greens, only roasted beans. There was no roasted on date, only Best Before date. Anyway, tried it when I arrived home and it was OK. Wouldnt rush out to buy it again.

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    Quote Originally Posted by 3231793231010 link=1142657156/11#11 date=1246528274
    Rumour has it some places are now farming civet cats

    I heard this also, but was told that some were trying to stop production because of cruelty to the animal.

    New product soon - Free range Kopi Luwak ;D

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    No we just need Free Range, Fair Crack, AAA Grade, Cup of Excellence Kopi Luwak...Harrar Longberry *:D

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    I have sampled roasted Kopi Luwak from him

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    I bought some from the green Bean as a Xmas treat a year ago - Ive kept it until I master my popper roaster and will probably roast it next winter - I have already roasted about 60 g a few months ago but I cannot say I thought it was amazing.. sacrilege I guess it is ...KL in a popper but that was the only way I was going to taste some I guess..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4665677C7B72777A7E150 link=1142657156/22#22 date=1258030189
    sacrilege I guess it is
    Just my humble opinion, but sacrilege is putting sh!t from an animal up on the same pedestal as coffee grown with care by farmers, picked by hand, processed carefully and then judged by an international jury of cuppers to be proclaimed as one of the best in a growing region.

    But then again, its your temple to defile and its only my opinion...

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    Opinion noted - the sacrilege I referred to was the roasting of such an expensive and acknowledged coffee (by coffee experts ?) by a novice using a humble modified popper.

    As the temperature during the roasting process is greater than 200C and lasts for several minutes I guess there is hygenically nothing left thats able to defile any temple.

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    Re sacrilege:
    But its not animal dung that you have. It is the processed bean. Granted, the processing is a little unique, but you do only end up with the bean, not the dung!

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    a couple of things really bug me about Kopi Luwak discussions.

    1) if you havent tried it, how can you comment on its flavour?!?!?

    2) if you have tried it, have you tried other coffees from the roaster that roasted it???

    I have bought it green before in significant quantity, roasted it with the same process I would go through for any bean. (sample roast, cup, repeat until the profile is right). The result was very good. The supplier I have known for a long time and is a major player in the Sumatran Coffee scene and supplies alot of names most csers would drool over.

    Would I buy it again......no. Am I glad I did.....yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6B68206B68580 link=1142657156/11#11 date=1246528274
    *Rumour has it some places are now farming civet cats...
    what do they taste like? Normal CAT or chicken?

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    I attended a fundraising cupping session with Kopi Luwak as the drawcard recently.
    It was quite pleasant, smooth, a bit earthy but most of the CS beans Ive roasted taste a lot better and a fraction of the price of Luwak.
    Sharing the experience and discussing its merits with other interested coffee lovers and novices was more of a highlight and the big winner was the Autism Support Centre.
    I can now say that "Yes I have tried cat-poo coffee!!" ::) ::)

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    If I get lucky and meet my maker eventually, if I am asked, "Did you ever eat any food that came out of the anus of an animal?" I want to be able to answer, "No." ...just in case. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0B38373D20061E77590 link=1142657156/29#29 date=1258745166
    If I get lucky and meet my maker eventually, if I am asked, "Did you ever eat any food that came out of the anus of an animal?" I want to be able to answer, "No." ...just in case. * :P
    So you have never consumed an EGG or Egg product :o I am impressed 8-)

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    cant get my head around it or my wallet for that matter either. weve had this conversation before and the end result was the same here.. i personally like the idea of professionally grown picked washed and graded coffee beans that havent been through the bowels of a cat. "crapachinno anyone"
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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    And a lively debate ensued ....

    Its great to hear all the opinions .. I really thought everyone was in awe of KL - not so apparently and thats good to hear...

    This and CS must not get to the stage of the Emperors new clothes ...

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    Just thought I would add to this thread rather than starting a new one.

    I have just drained the last of my first cup of kopi Luwak, approx 17g brewed in a 3 cup bellina syphon with a brew time of aprox 1.30. I am really echoing the thoughts of others by saying smooth, pleasant balanced but not mind blowing. My wife bought me 100g for my birthday and I have been dying to try it all week (work and kids dont tend to allow for time to sit and enjoy a brew during the week).

    Cant say I am rushing out to buy anymore but I am glad I have tried it so I can say I have.

    Interesting things to note no roast date, no degassing happening so I think the roasting was some time ago, bean size was really variable (might post pics later if I can figure out how) and not a lot of aroma when the bag was opened.

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    Quote Originally Posted by 69676A657264650B0 link=1142657156/31#31 date=1259382956
    Interesting things to note no roast date, no degassing happening so I think the roasting was some time ago, bean size was really variable (might post pics later if I can figure out how) and not a lot of aroma when the bag was opened.
    This reinforces what I was saying, its like tasting a cup of excellence coffee roasted by a bean browner 12 months ago. Not the way to do it.

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    Got some Zambesi Terra Nova coming next week. Notes say it has deep cocoa mid palate with hints of lemon citrus. Looking forward to it!

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCG31fSAr4M

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    From what i understand, the luwaks will not eat in captivity ..meaning picking cherries and attempting to force the luwaks to eat them doesnt work as they are picky when it comes to bean selection.

    On this video it looks like they walk them in the forest to get them to eat the coffee cherries wich is smart.

    Its only a matter of time till the market disregards kopi luwak as a fad though i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6B524C427860270 link=1142657156/35#35 date=1261291495
    From what i understand, the luwaks will not eat in captivity ..meaning picking cherries and attempting to force the luwaks to eat them doesnt work
    Actually, Luke, we will eat as many cherries as you can throw at us. Or apricots, peaches, plums; :P Mmmm...stonefruit. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F535A5A595950494F483C0 link=1142657156/36#36 date=1261300854
    Quote Originally Posted by 6B524C427860270 link=1142657156/35#35 date=1261291495
    From what i understand, the luwaks will not eat in captivity ..meaning picking cherries and attempting to force the luwaks to eat them doesnt work *
    Actually, Luke, we will eat as many cherries as you can throw at us. Or apricots, peaches, plums; :P Mmmm...stonefruit. :P
    giggled like a schoolgirl...

    I aint going to be comming over your place for any "luwaks" coffee..... *Well I could but would need to see the bean info first... *And a comment of SO would not do...

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    Where is Kootingal exactly?

    Tryin to get enough of us together to have a .... get together? I had a laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by 754C525C667E390 link=1142657156/38#38 date=1261302634
    Where is Kootingal exactly?

    Tryin to get enough of us together to have a .... get together? I had a laugh *
    Kootingal is Kamilaroi for too far from the coast *:(

    (aka 15km up the New England Hwy from Tamworth.)
    Will def drop in for a cuppa when passing through ?Ballina? though.

    Well ask if anyones seen a tall dude behind a Mistral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 022D2426310E222D2224262E262D37430 link=1142657156/37#37 date=1261301151
    I aint going to be comming over your place for any "luwaks" coffee.....Well I could but would need to see the bean info first...And a comment of SO would not do...
    Always welcome, AM. BYO beans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7478717172727B626463170 link=1142657156/39#39 date=1261303486
    Well ask if anyones seen a tall dude behind a Mistral.
    HEY! Thats sounds like me but it cant be because i work behind a Mirage :P :P :P

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    doh! knew it started with Mi-.

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    I had a laugh its all good mate..they are similar :)

    Come have a play with it the next time your in the area...the Mirage that is ;D

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    Re: Kopi Luwak

    This Poo-coffee seemed like the best place to throw in my first post on the forum ;D

    Ive tried some so heres my experience;

    Flavour; As some have already said the coffee is good flavour wise (my experience with shots of fresh roasted). But, its very unremarkable in terms of anything distinctive you could call a signature flavour. Its got a balanced (as some have said smooth?) overall flavour delivery but, everthing is pretty moderate / a little restrained. Enough but, not rich or mouth filling.

    Overall; Only my opinion but, for what it is its a waste of money if you were chasing an experience . I would say if anything the flavour is basically the same but, actually slightly to greatly lacking flavour intensity compared to some of the same regions beans processed the normal ways.(Maybe the animals digestive acids rob a little?). I would suggest that if there was some year the poo-coffee grabbed some sort of international fame it would be more likely that the plants had an exceptional year than it being due to the poop process.

    As for the animals selecting the best beans thats just the Emperors new clothes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 382032393F3239333225243839570 link=1142657156/45#45 date=1263748305
    $30 per 100g
    Thats still $300kg.
    I can get a hell of a lot more other coffee for that.

    Next time youre in Sydney you should pop in and try some of my world famous PNG Kimel.
    It might just make you forget about Kopi Luwak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7F67757E78757E747562637F7E100 link=1142657156/45#45 date=1263748305
    prices are quite reasonable at around $30 per 100g
    Absolute bargain...Why thats only $6000/20kg bag!

    I could load up the HG for just $1500 a drop 8-) ::)

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    Yeah but you can say the same thing about certain wines or whiskies.

    You are paying for the provenance and uniqueness.

    Dont shoot the guy down, he was only trying to add a helpful comment to the thread from what I can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6E63747C6961060 link=1142657156/48#48 date=1263764226
    Dont shoot the guy down, he was only trying to add a helpful comment to the thread from what I can see. *
    Or I could be cynical and suggest that for a first post it sailed pretty close to being advertising for a particular Perth based importer.
    Most first time posters come here asking for help, some say hi first and tell us about themselves and their coffee journey.

    I get very suspicious when the first post is an ad, even if its a subtle one.

    If Owen is genuine hell see how his post was perceived and be back to introduce himself.

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    Yeah could be.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Quote Originally Posted by 437F6279737265707873170 link=1142657156/49#49 date=1263764462
    Or I could be cynical and suggest that for a first post it sailed pretty close to being advertising for a particular Perth based importer.

    Most first time posters come here asking for help, some say hi first and tell us about themselves and their coffee journey.

    I get very suspicious when the first post is an ad, even if its a subtle one.

    If Owen is genuine hell see how his post was perceived and be back to introduce himself.
    Yes TG, I agree with you....One could easily interpret it as a thinly veiled sales pitch. There are aspects of the users account which I consider commercial as well.

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