Hmm Pellegrinis....famous in Melbourne for pretty much close to the worst coffee available in Town..... ;DOriginally Posted by Anthony link=1145585373/0#0 date=1145585373
Yes, it is good to get out sometimes!
Anyone have any dead-set favourites?
Although I live in the Blue Mountains, two hours from Sydney, I do have one cafe I return to every time I get a chance.
Only problem is its in Melbourne!
Im talking about the great Pellegrinis at the top-end of Bourke Street, opposite the now sadly defunct Gaslight ... this must surely be THE Italian cafe of Australia. Its more than the coffee .. the entire ambience is sensational. Pure unchanged 1950s.
In Sydney my favourite drop-in spot is Fratelli Paradiso in Challis Ave, Darlinghurst. Its back to its original top standard now that the chefs back out of gaol..... his time behind bars showed just why you shouldnt mix caffeine with cocaine!
Hmm Pellegrinis....famous in Melbourne for pretty much close to the worst coffee available in Town..... ;DOriginally Posted by Anthony link=1145585373/0#0 date=1145585373
... yeah, its like there was a bushfire in your mouth and noone told you! Plus the flies over the cakes were kinda worrying ... but, yeah, definitely a cultural institution. First espresso machine in Melbourne, right?Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1145585373/0#1 date=1145586378
Personally, I like the "Synesso Brothers" - St Ali and Maling Room. Places that walk the talk. Batch is also up there. Wall is probably the other big reputation place and Ive got to say that I love it. Funky atmosphere and decent coffee. Wish there were somewhere good in the CBD, though ...
I like Zmegs at 27 Russell Street Melbourne - just make sure Michael is making the coffee (and that he is in a good mood) ;)
I wouldnt go to Pelligrinis for the coffee so much as the history - its and mine! I can remember when it was just about the only place in town outside of Genevieves in Carlton where you could get a plate of spag bol and a coffee for less than ten shillings ... now, thats going back ......
When my wife and I got married, we were forced to do a big exit from oiur lunchtime wedding at about 330pm, so we decamped to the City. Since we were staying at the Windsor, we had a wander around and were watching other people having wedding photos. There was a little circuit every 10-15 minutes from the Parliament steps, and everyone stopped for a picture at Pellegrinis (in full wedding gear). Apparently it happens almost all Saturday afternoon.
If anyone ever ventures up the New England Highway and goes through Tamworth, I would recommend a stop at the Inland Cafe. Its in the main street of the town (Peel Street).
When we are visiting or passing through to Armidale we generally find ourselves having breakfast/lunch/afternoon tea there! IMO they serve the best coffee in Tamworth, though if anyone else knows of anywhere that is better, let me know too!
A word of warning about Tamworth...
Dont be fooled as you pass through by the resturant called "Vespas". It is an okay feed but is so not geared towards sophisticated city tastes!! I think it is a kind of mass market Italian food! Dont get me wrong, its not a bad place just not as good as it could be.
The best dining experiences I have had in Tamworth, apart from the Inland Cafe, is another place called Eatalianos. Which is a more authentic Italian style resturant, even down to the old formica tables and 60s style chairs! :)
Fine to have a pic taken there.....just dont drink the coffee ;D
"My Cafe" in the A.C.T. is probably the most popular, but I tend to get my coffee at work on the run if Im not drinking at home, so Im not particurally loyal to any one spot. Bit of an A.C.T. coffee slut if you will, although I do see the old fella Lyle a often enough to know his name at one of those foyer type cafes in CIVIC A.C.T. My loyalty to him is mainly price driven though.....
My Cafes coffee is generally O.K. Probably due to its high turnover (see and be seen locality for the A.C.T) they probably manage not to hold a stock of older beans to much, so half the battle is won. I really should pay attention to what coffee they serve there though...I cannot remember at the moment.
I used to like in Melbourne going for coffee at Pattersons cakes (Chapel Street WINDSOR), but that was probably more to do with the cakes than the coffee now I think about it...
The best espresso coffee in Perth was at Supreme Coffee Machines.
I did not find my favorite cafe serving outstanding espresso yet.
Try Core Espresso in Allendale Arcade- St Georges Terrace....wall to wall LaMarzocco and absolutely retentive about their product...
I cant recommend Coreys place too highly
Ill second that. I was lucky enough to work with the team for a week in January and it was coffeesnob heaven! What is truly remarkable is that every single member of Coreys team is a great barista. There are NO weak links. Vanessa and Ben came third and fourth in the opens of the Australian Barista Competition.Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1145585373/0#10 date=1145933365
Core is basically a bench built across a corner in the arcade. There is just barely enough room for four baristi and a cashier. They have two La Marzocco Lineas and two Swift grinders, which must mean that its the most expensive cafe in Australia per square metre!
Heres a photo of Core ... much less busy than usual because it was closed; we were just doing some training:
Mmmmm...Im in Perth Tuesday week. You can bet Ill be visiting Core.
Anyone got a tip or 2 for somewhere in Sydney? Im there tomorrow & Tuesday.
What about Briz Vegas? Thats Wednesday this week.
And Adelaide? Next Monday.
Coffee just might be the only thing thatll make this fortnight bearable
Im really gonna miss my Giotto :(.
Hey Jeff- Core is a must and also Corey mentioned Lemon Espresso (in Claremont I think....tho I didnt get there *:-/). In Sydney, its well worth having a look at Single origin, Tobys Estate, Forsyths, Campos, Luxe and Mecca. Have a look through http://www.coffeegeek.com/forums/wor...ralasia/227124 for some feedback on these places....
Brisvegas has Naked Coffee and I hear great reports about Cibo....As for Adelaide....its been quite a while.....anyone else want to chime in?
Glad that it seems youre enjoying the Giotto! *8-)
Thanks for the tips Chris, Ill try to fit as many as I can into my schedule for this trip and save the rest for next time.
Ive visited Tobys a few times.
Product and service were impressive I must say.
And yes, I am enjoying the Giotto, thanks :)
After my new purchase, my house Now :)
Seriously, theres not many places I know that make a good coffee in Canberra, but I dont get out much.
Scoota Gal said:
Im from Tamworth originally and get back there now and then. If you are in Armidale you must, I repeat must go to a little cafe in Dangar Street called The Goldfish Bowl Espresso Bar. Tiny, but great food and fantastic coffee made to the highest CoffeeSnobs standards. Watching Nick make coffee is like refresher course in how coffee should be done, nice guy too. They use Golden Cobra coffee through a 3 group Linea, very nice.When we are visiting or passing through to Armidale we generally find ourselves having breakfast/lunch/afternoon tea there! IMO they serve the best coffee in Tamworth, though if anyone else knows of anywhere that is better, let me know too!
Tamworth can be a black hole for coffee... very hit and miss. The only place I know of that uses freshly roasted coffee is a donut shop near Kmart in Peel Street. If you can catch Rob behind the counter hell make you the best coffee youre likely to get in Tamworth IMHO. I know the beans are fresh because Rob also roasts the coffee *:)
Not that i live there anymore, but i enjoyed the coffee at "swerve" in Mosman (used to be eat smart). Don Adan is not bad either.
everynow and then you have to pick your timing at swerve, as sometimes they will have a rookie on the machine ::) . From memory they stock and use Bassets blends.
Thanks for the tip, Framey! I will definitely look out for The Goldfish Bowl. Weve been going to Cafeiends in Armidale which isnt too bad. Though, this morning I noted, whilst there for breakfast, that they were having trouble with their machine they set up outside for takeaways. Resisted the urge, luckily. ;)Originally Posted by Framey link=1145585373/15#16 date=1146587483
Ive tried the coffee from the donut shop too but was mightily disappointed when I wanted to buy some beans and the best they could sell me was nearly a month since being roasted. But we had been recommended to them by the people who used to own Eatalianos (which has since shut down due to an explosive gas bottle in the kitchen) :(
Though I hear on the rumour mill that Vincenzos is now the place to eat in Tamworth. Its only open for dinner, however.
Kent st Cafe, Fitzroy, Melbourne ... has a great drop ... hummm, the place used to be an extension of my living room.
Probably one of the few places I havent tried on Smith st, what coffee do they use?Originally Posted by Ed link=1145585373/15#19 date=1147231266
If you have a chance to visit Launceston Tasmania, I would recommend "COFFEE REPUBLIC" in the mall. This is astonishingly good coffee in the most authenticly italianish setting. Picture the CR vespar out the front with a few market umbrellas. The shop itself is really the entrance hall toward a stairway that leads to other rooms not asscoiated with the Republic. Enter the door surrounded by hessian coffee bags and its a squeeze to the machine where you place your order- 3.50 for a doppio- served in a tiny paper cup! Its all part of the experience! Watch the barista choke up the basket with freshly ground, CR roasted coffee and press the tamper, tap, clean rim, re- tamp and then add more grounds, and do it all again. The mix is then carefully placed in the massive commercial rancilio, where the barista times and monitors the honey-like stream from start to finish. ::)
That is the only place I buy coffee! And I live in Burnie, 160 kilometres away from Launceston.
Once, the timing was out- it went too fast I think- I wasnt sure; but the barista showed the shot to the other barista and they ditched it and did the whole thing again!
The only other stuff on sale is in a small drinks fridge and a couple of jars of big bikkies.
Last time i was there, I brought my wife in the experience the whole thing,( not that she is all that interested) :-?
She asked for a decaf and we watched as the two young baristas scratched their heads as though theyd never heard the term.
Er, I am wondering, are you talking about a scooter? And if so...hate to be the one who says it but I cant help myself!!!Originally Posted by rayzurhed link=1145585373/15#21 date=1147305154
Its spelt Vespa. ;) :D :P
Atomica in Brunswick Street Fitzroy.
Up here on the sunny central coast there are two places I will order coffee:
the Urban Bean in East Gosford, and
Max Brenner in Erina Fair: its actually a chocolate shop (used to work there before baby was born) and everyone is supposed to be trained by Allpress before theyre allowed to touch the La Marzocco. Its not as good as it was- the old manager quit, she was brilliant behind the LM. Havent been for a while though...
Theres a reasonably new place down in Terrigal Im keen to try, think its called DGs- its also a gourmet food shop
Funny about the Brenner cafe, a store has opened near where I live. The buggers have got a FB-70 and a Swift grinder. Around these parts, LM machines are uber rare and I was impressed... Until the young lady couldnt reply with the brand of beans they use. Why oh why should such lovely equipment be married with ignorance? No comment on the coffee, yet, I wasnt brave enough, but Ill go back on the weekend and try an espresso, for the team. ;) ;DOriginally Posted by mwatt link=1145585373/15#24 date=1147917306
anyone with an FB-70 and a Swift deserve your attention. The whole idea of a Swift is so cool, as long as someone in the know keeps it adjusted well, how can you go wrong !
Unless things have changed, Max Brenner use Allpress Espresso.
hate to say it, and will probably have my access revoked, but if you are going to max brenner, surely you order THE CHOCOLATE!!
he does some of the best hot chocolate out there.... stick with ordering what they know!!!
Re: Hot chocolate, try the Ecuadorian Dark Chocolate with Orchid flower oil, its superb.
Gday mwatt,Originally Posted by mwatt link=1145585373/15#24 date=1147917306
have you ever tried Caesars at Erina? Ill be up that way next week and Id like to get a good cup or twenty during the week, rather than drinking hotel coffee ;).
Without wanting to venture into defamation territory... the one and only time I went to Caesers, it may well have been the worst coffee I have ever had. I asked for a piccolo latte, upon receiving the all too common blank look I just asked if they could add steamed milk until the regular latte mug was half full. My wife ordered the same. The poor undertrained 16 yr old girl held up the glass mug and said "Its already half full, how much milk do you want? There must have been 120mls of pale liquid in each mug. Hmmm 240ml double from maybe 14g or coffee *:(
I spoke to Caeser, mentioning my love for all things coffee and asked if he was able to give me a quick tour of his roasting setup. Now I can fully understand any owner operator saying Im sorry but thats not an option or perhaps that they were too busy, but the response I got still kind of bewilders me.
"Because the roaster is up stairs we cant take customers up there incase they hurt themselves on the steps...if you stand over there, you can see the top of the roaster"
When did stairs become a lethal customer maiming machine?
Just seemed like one of those businesses that probably used to do a great job, but when it hit a certain size then a lot of the passion went out the window.
On the upside they did have a double barrelled roaster on display. I think Artex was the brand.
Caesars, yes, Im familiar with it. Buy their coffee beans and take them home. I dont mind their Gladiator blend, but the only time I ordered coffee there I was exceptionally disappointed- bland, boring, and terrible sea-froth foam. I think theyre all about the roasting, and kinda forget that its all well and good to have great coffee beans, but youve got to prepare it well too... That was a while ago though, Im all for a second attempt.
Funny you mention the stairs Framey... I asked Caesar if I could get some green beans off him, he agreed to sell me some PNG Kimel (which was exceptionally good I must add), but I had to come back 4 hours later as he wasnt planning on going up the stairs until that afternoon. Weird.
Did a bit of a tour with work in the last few weeks.
Drove my colleagues nuts with "gotta find a decent coffee" shenanigans.
Sydney - Didnt get an opportunity for a cafe stop, supressed a sob as we drove past Tobys Estate in Chippendale at 8am. Its a cruel world.
Brisbane - Cibo in West End was terrific, the baristas tamping technique raised my eyebrows, but the result was great. (Breakfast at The Gunshop Cafe around the corner was sensational, although coffee not quite as good)
Adelaide - Cibo (Theyre franchising), couldnt resist checking to see if theyd been able to duplicate a good thing. It wasnt bad at all, they cared about what they were doing (not much more than coffee).
Perth - Core was the highlight of the trip (Luca, theyve changed their grinder set-up since your pic was taken) It was like a magnet, just kept drawing me back there.
Chris, thanks for the tips on most of the above.
Im off to Canberra next Thursday/Friday.
Anyone have a recommendation for our fair capital?
Another spot, no where near where I live in NSW but up on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland.
Actually situated at Sunshine Beach, (Im pretty sure I havent mentioned this one before) is a small coffee bar and roaster. The owner/roaster is a Kiwi but dont hold that against him as he does a very nice job on the coffee. In fact, I would be pleased to say that he was the one who introduced me to drinking coffee without sugar! He said to me "A good coffee shouldnt need any sugar. Try this before you put some in." And it certainly didnt need any sugar!!
Its called "Costa Noosa" and unlike a certain North Coast NSW establishment, you can see the roaster with no problems with going up stairs. In fact, the roaster itself is right there as the centrepiece of the coffee bar, as that is what it really is. If you want food, go to a cafe. If you want coffee, go to Costa Noosa. If you are lucky and David is there, you might even get an invite round behind the machine to be shown just how to pull a shot! ;)
Im not sure what the setup at Cosmorex is, but Im assuming its a Roastery where you can get a coffee if you ask nicely *:)Im off to Canberra next Thursday/Friday. Anyone have a recommendation for our fair capital?
Check the website for location.
Already in the schedule.
Jeff,Originally Posted by Habit link=1145585373/30#33 date=1148048953
Across the road from Cibo in Glenelg is a cafe called Europa (I think). I was there recently. I didnt try Cibo, but Europas coffee was serious stuff. I think Rio is their roaster (possibly for Cibo too). They have 3 or 4 grinders set up with a few different blends and a SO or two. If youre passing through Glenelg on your travels I highly recommend a tasting.
Ill make a note of it and give it a try when Im in Adelaide next. :)
I love coffee. Not much inta speling or mopeds. ;)Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1145585373/15#22 date=1147338163
This may be a long shot (and a little OT, but not heaps), but is there any CS member here from the lovely NSW town of Orange? i will be there on the long weekend... and a little heads up on somewhere to get a good shot would be much appreciated.
FrenchBean used to live in Orange, but Im not sure if hes still there. He might be able to help you out with some locations though.
Back from Canberra. Aaaah.......home sweet home.
Started the visit to our fair capital with a visit to Cosmorex.
A great experience.
Got to pull my first (double)shot on a fully commercial machine.
Not perfect by any means, but certainly dont think I disgraced myself.
Had a good look around a very, very professional operation.
Helpful and genuinely friendly and knowledgable people.
A big thanks to Anne for your hospitality.
Id strongly recommend a visit to anyone.
Id also recommend a cafe in town called Guss, a Canberra institution.
Breakfast was beyond expectation. Coffee was very impressive.
Cheers Lovey, ill flick off a PM
Funny you should say that. *I used to hang out at Pellegrinis in the 70s. *He is the one that advised me to buy the Baby Gaggia (nothing much else for sale back then *;D)Originally Posted by Anthony link=1145585373/0#0 date=1145585373
Havent been there for years.
I just went there with my son a few weeks ago, for coffee and a quick bite. *Hated both the coffee and the food! *Most dissapointed (and it was also very expensive -food wise- for what it was). *The owner (cant remember his name) was still there, hardly recognised him (he would have said the same about me *;D) *His photo (from when I knew him) was up on the wall - pointed out to my son that they were the same person, didnt want to believe me ;D
;D :D I should have kept reading the thread before replying. ;D And I forgot to mention in my reply the flies - I noticed them too. ;DOriginally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1145585373/0#7 date=1145747417
When in Sydney, you can do a lot worse than my familys local in Potts Point: Il Fagiano on Macleay Street. Not too far from a Tobys and a couple of other good ones.
Just found a gem of a place in Terrigal- its called Escapades. They use a 2-group LM (dont ask for more details than that), use Allpress Espresso, and make a superb cup. Had a brilliant piccolo, and my husbands latte was tops. The pumpkin soup was good too!
My favourite cafe is Al Kebab Cafe at 363 Cambridge Street, Wembley WA, the best Kebabs around, matched with pretty good coffees *:)